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Episode 12: Many of us have been chased away from shame, because it seems to cause nothing but pain.
However, shame itself is a crucial social emotion that helps you become an upright and empathic person who cares about others and has a strong sense of ethics.
The key to working with shame is to understand the difference between shame that helps you maintain your morals and ethics, and shame-blame that is thrown onto you by others. The blaming form of shame is actually, and simply, abuse.
Reclaiming your own true and healing shame is crucial in a time when people are flinging shame-blame everywhere.
In this episode, we begin to observe how people's tragic avoidance of shame, and their lust for throwing shame-blame at others, is damaging our capacity to learn, grow, connect, evolve, and heal.
Your own chosen shame forms the center of your ethical core. It's essential. And a key to working well with shame is to understand the difference between shame and abuse.
Books and practices mentioned in this episode:
The Language of Emotions by Karla McLaren: https://karlamclaren.com/the-language-of-emotions-book/
The Burning Contracts practice for shame: https://karlamclaren.com/reworking-a-toxic-emotion/
Strangers in Their Own Land by Arlie Russell Hochschild: https://bookshop.org/p/books/strangers-in-their-own-land-anger-and-mourning-on-the-american-right-arlie-russell-hochschild/85585abfe16c457f
Stolen Pride by Arlie Russell Hochschild: https://bookshop.org/p/books/stolen-pride-loss-shame-and-the-rise-of-the-right-arlie-russell-hochschild/645bfe0a64abb5be
Mistakes Were Made (but not by me) by Carol Tavris and Elliot Aronson: https://bookshop.org/p/books/mistakes-were-made-but-not-by-me-third-edition-why-we-justify-foolish-beliefs-bad-decisions-and-hurtful-acts-carol-tavris/507560a2efd55431
Episode 11: Your panic is powerful, and if you don't know how to work with it, other people can grab its power to fuel their own ideas, their own movements, and their own ends.
But be aware: If people are grabbing onto your emotions, especially the powerful, life-saving emotion of panic, they don't in any way mean you well.
Your emotions belong to you, and no one should be jacking into them. The first step in retrieving your panic is to understand what it does, how it works, and how to work with its immense power in life-changing ways..
Books and cards mentioned in this episode:
The Language of Emotions Cards: https://karlamclaren.com/product/the-language-of-emotions-cards/
Embracing Anxiety by Karla McLaren: https://bookshop.org/lists/karla-mclaren-s-books
The Gift of Fear by Gavin de Becker: https://bookshop.org/lists/trauma-healing-e7c310b5-d52e-412e-ae0a-e3ed4ee8e040
Waking the Tiger by Peter Levine: https://bookshop.org/lists/trauma-healing-e7c310b5-d52e-412e-ae0a-e3ed4ee8e040
Episode 10: Hatred is a powerful emotion, and as it is with anything powerful, it's a double-edged sword. It can be a astonishing force for good. No kidding.
We're seeing hatred everywhere, and it's a sign of trouble throughout our species. If you don't know how to work with your hatred, its power can wound and destroy. This is especially true if you've been manipulated into hatred, because this is a form of emotional abuse that destabilizes and weaponizes you.
And of course, being manipulated into hatred is never done with your health or well-being in mind. It's abuse.
But even if you have been manipulated into hatred (if you know what hatred signifies, and you know how to work with it), you can evolve, integrate, deepen, and heal.
The key with hatred is to turn inward and do your shadow work, because hatred signals a serious lack inside you that needs to be witnessed, welcomed, and integrated.
Hatred can be magical like that.
Books mentioned in this episode:
The Language of Emotions by Karla McLaren, M.Ed.: https://bookshop.org/lists/karla-mclaren-s-books
Owning Your Own Shadow by Robert A. Johnson: https://bookshop.org/lists/shadow-work-4ea99124-7347-4af8-9faf-915c6a0448aa
A Little Book on The Human Shadow by Robert Bly: https://bookshop.org/lists/shadow-work-4ea99124-7347-4af8-9faf-915c6a0448aa
Meeting the Shadow edited by Connie Zweig and Jeremiah Abrams: https://bookshop.org/lists/shadow-work-4ea99124-7347-4af8-9faf-915c6a0448aa
Episode 9: You don't need to avoid stress. In fact, avoiding it is a truly bad idea if you want to do anything worth doing, or be of help in difficult times.
And in fact, stress is a weasel word that hides the essential emotions that arise to help us deal with trouble. Learning to reframe stress, name it properly, and work with it intentionally can improve and deepen every part of your life.
And in times of trouble, it is our willingness to face difficulties head on -- with all of our emotional skills available to us -- that will make the difference.
Stress is not the problem. Your stress (which is really your emotions) is the response to the problem, and your response brings you gifts, skills, and genius that you can't get anywhere else.
Books mentioned in this episode:
The Upside of Stress by Kelly McGonigal: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/316675/the-upside-of-stress-by-kelly-mcgonigal/
The Language of Emotions by Karla McLaren: https://karlamclaren.com/the-language-of-emotions-book/
Episode 8: There's something you can do right now to support yourself in this time of intentional chaos and intense polarization.
The Braver Angel's organization is a nationwide group of people who have come together to help us learn how to talk to each other again. And to learn how to disagree and be in conflict without tearing each other apart.
No one wins when we're pitted against each other like this, and Braver Angels will give you a place -- right now -- to reclaim the better angels of of your nature so that we can dream a better future and rebuild.
Braver Angels: https://braverangels.org/our-mission/
Find a local alliance: https://braverangels.org/braver-citizens/find-a-local-alliance/
Beyond the Politics of Contempt: https://beyondthepoliticsofcontempt.com/
Episode 7: What can we do when polarization, dehumanization, and unhealthy mechanisms of control are at play?
We can understand the powerful forces that are acting upon us, and do the work to become well-informed, emotionally whole, and prepared to reduce polarization, emotional manipulation, and dehumanization inside us, and in the world around us.
Books mentioned in this episode:
Missing the Solstice by Karla McLaren: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F6TRWRBZ
Escaping Utopia by Janja Lalich and Karla McLaren: https://www.routledge.com/Escaping-Utopia-Growing-Up-in-a-Cult-Getting-Out-and-Starting-Over/Lalich-McLaren/p/book/9781138239746
Episode 6: Healthy charismatic leadership involves being willing to learn from others, instituting checks and balances, maintaining a sense of humor and a sense of humility, being responsive to complaints and corrections, and treating people well and respectfully.
When the charisma of a person or group is healthy, people are drawn to it and invigorated by it. When it’s not, their choices get tangled up with the leader’s need for total devotion and control.
Breaking away from toxic charismatic authority is hard work, but it can be done, and people can learn how to identify – and support – healthy authority and healthy groups.
SIGNS OF HEALTHY CHARISMATIC AUTHORITY
The leader or group has behavioral checks and balances in place.
The leader has healthy empathy and a realistic self-image.
Members are treated as valuable individuals; they are not disciples, servants, or pawns.
The leader has a sense of humor and a humane leadership style.
Members retain their identities, family relationships and responsibilities, and private lives.
The leader or group values and promotes members’ ideas and beliefs.
Members have the right to question, doubt, and challenge the charismatic authority.
The leader or group deals responsibly with conflicts and challenges; there is no belittling, punishing, or shunning.
Members have the freedom to come and go as they please.
The leader or group considers and promotes other ideas, other beliefs, and other groups.
The leader encourages critical thinking and questions.
The group is open to the outside world and to nonbelievers.
People who are under the sway of a charismatic authority figure are being manipulated, certainly. But in most cases, they are also finding a sense of purpose, meaning, and pride as they work diligently to demonstrate their perfect devotion.
These are worthy things; however, when they’re directed at the bottomless pit of an unhealthy person’s needs, perfect devotion only serves to trap followers in a web.
SIGNS OF UNHEALTHY CHARISMATIC AUTHORITY
• The leader or group has an inflated sense of importance and connection to greatness.
• Members must idealize and revere the leader and the ranking leadership.
• The leader claims special powers, knowledge, and lineage – or may claim to be divine.
• Members are often publicly shamed or berated for not living up to the ideals of the leader or group, or for not meeting the needs and/or demands of the leader or group perfectly enough.
• The leader’s needs, ideas, and desires are overriding; they de-legitimize and erase the needs, ideas, and desires of group members.
• Some members are granted access to an inner circle with special privileges and special access, and often, these people can break the group’s rules without punishment.
• The leader can do or say almost anything without repercussions; there are no checks or balances on his or her behavior.
• The leader has complete control over the group’s belief system, rules, and norms – none of which can be questioned.
The leader belittles all other belief systems and any other leaders who may be functioning in the leader’s realm (e.g., other New Age leaders if the leader has a New Age philosophy).
• Members must display complete obedience and devotion to the leader or the group.
• The leader takes credit for anything good that happens, and blames members for anything bad that happens.
• The leader treats questions and challenges as threats, and he or she may see enemies everywhere – inside and outside the cult. • Members who challenge the authority of the leader or leadership group are punished, publicly humiliated, shunned, or kicked out, and may be portrayed as enemy traitors.
Episode 5: Influence is everywhere, and it can be heathy or unhealthy. Here are ways to know which is which.
SIGNS OF HEALTHY SYSTEMS OF INFLUENCE
SIGNS OF UNHEALTHY SYSTEMS OF INFLUENCE
Episode 4: Who Controls You?
In healthy groups and relationships, members retain their own sense of what's right, their own voices, their intellectual freedom, and their own ideas. In healthy groups, the systems of group control are healthy and nourishing.
In unhealthy groups, the systems of control will demand high dedication, high intensity, self-silencing, intellectual sameness, and extreme perfectionism. In unhealthy groups and relationships, the systems themselves are abusive.
But there is no need to create systems of control that are high-demand or abusive. Healthy groups and relationships are everywhere, and learning about what healthy (and unhealthy) groups look like can protect each of us from unnecessary harm.
SIGNS OF HEALTHY SYSTEMS OF CONTROL
When a system of control is healthy, its structure supports and nurtures the people inside it. Healthy systems of control involve rules that make sense, clear checks and balances on power, responsive and respectful leadership, and goals that are livable and beneficial for everyone.
Unhealthy systems of control treat people like cogs in a machine, and they require total submission and unquestioning obedience, regardless of the personal cost. When a system is toxic, its structure crushes, demeans, and dehumanizes the people trapped within it.
SIGNS OF UNHEALTHY SYSTEMS OF CONTROL
These lists are from the book I co-authored with Janja Lalich, Escaping Utopia.
In this episode, I talk about Janja Lalich's book about two seemingly opposite cults that were basically identical in their social structures, Bounded Choice.
I also talk about the group Braver Angels, who are helping people on the left and the right learn how to be people with each other again.
Episode 3: It's not what you believe. It's how.
In this episode, we're exploring the first aspect of Janja Lalich's Bounded Choice model of cultic control: The Transcendent Belief System.
If you don't understand high-demand, high-dedication, high-intensity, self-sealed, and cultic belief systems, you can fall into one very easily. Or more than one!
We look at multiple transcendent beliefs, which are not exclusively religious or spiritual. Any belief system can fall into perfectionism and rigidity, and any belief system can imagine itself to be the best thing ever. Ways of eating, ways of learning, ways of exercising, ways of doing martial arts, ways of doing business .... if people don't understand cultic mechanisms of high control and high dedication, they can storm down the wrong path and leave trouble in their wake.
Here are ways to understand when the belief systems you value are healthy.
ASPECTS OF HEALTHY TRANSCENDENT BELIEF SYSTEMS
When a transcendent belief system is healthy, people have choices. When it’s not, their choices get tangled up with the group’s rigid visions of perfection and purity.
ASPECTS OF UNHEALTHY TRANSCENDENT BELIEF SYSTEMS
In this episode, I feature my book with Janja Lalich, Escaping Utopia: https://www.routledge.com/Escaping-Utopia-Growing-Up-in-a-Cult-Getting-Out-and-Starting-Over/Lalich-McLaren/p/book/9781138239746
And Janja's classic book that I edited for its revised edition, Take Back Your Life: https://janjalalich.com/blog/take-back-your-life/
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How do we create (and survive) drastic changes? How do we leave unhealthy relationships, groups, belief systems, or entire identities? How do we take off-ramps when the…
These questions are crucial in a time when so many of us have been drawn into polarized belief systems and conspiracy theories that are tearing apart families, friendships, political parties, and the foundations of American governance itself.
But change and reclamation are possible at any time. Researcher, author, emotions and empathy expert, and cult survivor Karla McLaren, M.Ed. explores how we can reclaim ourselves and provide support for others.
We all need off-ramps when we're being separated from each other, and when we're being taught to see enemies in anyone not like us.
With personal stories, extensive research, emotional genius, empathic badassery, and humor, we explore how and why this bold American experiment has become a tragic powder keg, and how we can reclaim our good hearts, our good minds, and our good souls.
We can imagine, build, and maintain off-ramps for ourselves and each other.
Welcome to the Off-Ramp Project.