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Darren and Dillon continue a multi-part conversation on Christian discernment, emphasizing Jesus’ teaching about wolves in sheep’s clothing being identified by fruit rather than appearance or vocabulary.

They discuss Galatians 5’s lists of works of the flesh and fruit of the Spirit as practical tools for discerning leaders, including not only personal character but also what leaders produce in others through authority. They note discernment often requires time and warn against “unsanctified mercy” that avoids confrontation, referencing Revelation’s rebukes of tolerated harmful teachings and Jesus’ praise in Revelation 2:2 for testing false apostles.

The episode distinguishes between a trusted leader who may still teach something incorrect versus a “pseudo” leader who blends in but is not authentic. Darren gives examples: John MacArthur’s tone and statements that, in his view, remove space for disagreement and stir dissension; Rick Joyner/MorningStar’s long-running prophecy of an imminent California earthquake tied to judgment on Hollywood, which Darren argues removed the ability to test, prompted fear-driven decisions, and lacked accountability when it did not occur; and Shawn Bolz’s public words of knowledge later exposed as data mining, with stories of harm to individuals and claims of institutional cover-up, referencing Mike Winger’s documentation and Ezekiel 34’s judgment on shepherds who fail to protect sheep.

Darren also recounts Harold Camping’s 2011 end-times prediction and its broader reputational damage to the gospel, including an anecdote shared by atheist author Michael Lewis about his child’s fear. He shares a personal memory from late-80s/early-90s church culture where rapture predictions based on Matthew 24 and 1948/“40 years” fueled fear-based altar calls.

The episode closes by warning that cynicism and blanket suspicion are counterfeit discernment, using Acts 17 to contrast Thessalonica’s hostile rejection with Berea’s humble examination, and calling for a balanced posture that tests everything without gullibility or fear.

They preview a Part 3 on “testing the spirits.”

In this episode, Darren and Dillon have a conversation on biblical testing and discernment, focusing first on discerning humans—especially anyone claiming to represent God through authority, teaching, prophecy, or leadership. They discuss the seriousness of influence and agreement, the danger of being bound by lies, and why Scripture calls for testing apostles, prophets, and teachers, noting James 3:1 on stricter judgment for teachers because they represent what God is like. The conversation explores how modern Christian language around “calling,” fivefold roles, and “anointing” can become watered down or misused, sometimes equating personal desire or platform with God’s sending, and they contrast that with biblical examples of God commissioning people (Moses, Old Testament prophets, Paul) while also acknowledging the Great Commission applies broadly to all believers. Using Deuteronomy 18, they note predictive prophecy should be tested over time by whether it comes true, implying a waiting period and track record. From Deuteronomy 13 and Revelation 13, they argue that signs and wonders—even if real—do not prove someone is from God, because miracles can be part of a test and can deceive; discernment must evaluate whether the message leads toward loving the Lord. They read Matthew 7:15–20 to emphasize recognizing false prophets not by outward appearance but by fruit, and discuss how evaluating fruit takes time, patterns, and wisdom, including the difference between mistakes and persistent character issues. They warn against uncritical trust in influential leaders, conferences, and platforms, and point to Galatians 5’s works of the flesh versus fruit of the Spirit as a practical checklist for discernment, applying it to church leadership and broader authority. They end by pausing for a Part 2 to get more practical about how to test and discern and to discuss testing spirits, and they invite listeners to test and discern the hosts themselves.

Join Darren and Dillon in this insightful podcast episode as they delve into the crucial topics of testing and discernment within the Christian faith.

They explore the significance of discerning the intent, motivation, and truthfulness of leaders, both within and outside the church. They discuss the biblical principles of testing apostles, prophets, and teachers, as well as the concept of calling and anointing.

The conversation covers the importance of fruit as a sign of true leadership, strategies for discernment, and the dangers of taking signs and wonders at face value. Stay tuned for the thought-provoking continuation in Part 2.

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This episode explores the intersection of the heavenly and earthly realms through the lens of biblical stories. The hosts discuss the flatline of earthly experiences versus the upward trajectory of divine timing, using examples like Joseph, David, and Zachariah.

Addressing the practical aspects of how these insights influence day-to-day life, the conversation delves into perseverance in prayer, the importance of shifting focus to the heavenly realm, and maintaining faith despite apparent delays. Packed with thoughtful reflections and theological discussion, this episode encourages listeners to set their minds on the things above even amidst earthly challenges.

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In this episode, join us for a festive discussion about the intersection of Christmas and Hanukkah.

Our hosts delve into the significance of these holidays, sharing historical and theological insights. Explore how Jesus fulfills the story of Hanukkah and understand his divine nature, as prophesied in Psalm 110 and Daniel 8. Learn about the historical background of Antiochus Epiphanies and the Maccabean Revolt, and how these events contribute to the celebration of Hanukkah. Finally, reflect on Jesus' role as 'Emmanuel' and how his life exemplified the intertwining of these sacred holidays.

Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah!

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Join Darren and Dillon in this insightful podcast episode, where they discuss the Divine Council, the Tower of Babel, and the subsequent scattering of nations as described in Deuteronomy 32 and Genesis 11. They delve into the historical and theological contexts of these biblical events, exploring the role of spiritual beings and their rebellion against God. They also touch on the influence of worship music, the significance of biblical psalms, and the intricate connection between the earthly and heavenly realms. This episode concludes with a reflection on the Great Commission and the mission of spreading the Gospel to all nations.

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In this episode, Darren and Dillon dive deeper into the concept of the Divine Council or Divine Assembly as introduced in the previous episode. They analyze Psalm 82 and Deuteronomy 32, uncovering an assembly of spiritual beings who govern nations. The discussion sheds light on rebellious spiritual beings, their roles, and their influence on human leaders and nations. Biblical passages from Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 & 31 provide insights into figures like the Prince of Babylon and the guardian cherub over Tire. The episode also touches on the cosmic significance of spiritual warfare and the overarching narrative of Jesus reclaiming nations from rebellious spirits. Join the conversation to explore this fascinating and often overlooked biblical framework.

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Ep 50: The Divine Council - Unveiling the Unseen RealmIn this landmark 50th episode, Darren and Dylan dive deep into the concept of the Divine Council, an assembly of high-level spiritual beings mentioned in scripture. They discuss the complexities and different interpretations of Bible translations, particularly focusing on Deuteronomy 32 and Psalm 82. The discussion covers how these spiritual beings govern nations, their rebellion against Yahweh, and the temporary authority they hold over the earth. Join them as they delve into the theology and implications of this fascinating biblical narrative, all while celebrating their 50-episode milestone. Plus, hear a special mention of Michael Heiser's contributions to understanding the Divine Council. Don't miss this in-depth exploration of the unseen realm!00:00 Nostalgic Beginnings and Technical Setup00:24 Welcome Back to the Podcast00:47 Addressing Rumors and Celebrating Milestones01:47 Diving into Bible Translations06:22 Exploring the Divine Council24:28 Debating the Translation of 'Elohim'26:18 New Living Translation's Take on Psalm 8227:41 God's Judgment on Heavenly Rulers29:13 The Shaking of Foundations: A Prophetic Metaphor30:48 The Role of Spiritual Beings in Governance42:07 Jesus and Psalm 82: A Controversial Claim48:25 Michael Heiser and the Unseen Realm

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