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  • Episode 14: Femininity

    Episode 14:  This is a companion piece to our episode on Masculinity, where we discuss femininity and some of its trappings as we’ve experienced them throughout our lives: lingerie, fake nails, cheerleaders, fathers and daughters, make-up, the meanings behind gendered concepts, the gender binary and the ritual of “getting ready.”

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    SHOW NOTES

    Our Current Reads

    Christa:

    “The Dead” in Dubliners by James Joyce

    Lord of Scoundrels by Loretta Chase

    Carrie

    The Highwayman by Kerrigan Byrne

    Snow by Orhan Pamuk

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    References

    Against Our Will, by Susan Brownmiller

    Another Round, Episode 45: Practical Tactical Brilliance (with Lin-Manuel Miranda)
    Femininity, by Susan Brownmiller
    Symptoms of Being Human, by Jeff Garvin

    Recommended Reads (listed in the order in which they were discussed)

    Exit, Pursued by a Bear, by EK Johnston

    See No Color, by Shannon Gibney
    Dare Me, by Megan Abbott
    Afterparty, by Ann Redisch Stampler
    The Forbidden Orchid, by Sharon Biggs Waller
    The Disreputable History of Frankie Landau-Banks, by E. Lockhart

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    1 hr 12 min
  • Episode 13: Sex Without Romance

     

    Episode 13: We discuss Sex Without Romance (something that is very difficult to find in young adult fiction, as it turns out) and some of our adolescent adventures with respect to romance-free sex, as well as a few YA titles that touch on it.

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    SHOW NOTES

    Our Current Reads

    Carrie:

    Lost Paradise: From Mutiny on the Bounty to a Modern-Day Legacy of Sexual Mayhem, the Dark Secrets of Pitcairn Island Revealed by Kathy Marks

    The House of Bernarda Alba by Federico Garcia Lorca

    Christa:

    The Boy Most Likely To by Huntley Fitzpatrick

    Alexander Hamilton by Ron Chernow

                       “What I imagine when Christa describes ‘The Pit'” – Carrie

    References

    “Sex Without Love” by Sharon Olds

    Young Life

    Recommended Reads (listed in the order in which they were discussed)

    Sex Without Romance: girl POV

    Delicate Monsters by Stephanie Kuehn
    The F-It List by Julie Halpern
    Boy Heaven by Laura Kasischke
    Jersey Angel by Beth Ann Bauman
    Everything Beautiful by Simmone Howell
    “Me, Some Random Guy & the Army of Darkness” by Justina Ireland,  in The V-Word: True Stories about First Time Sex by Amber J. Keyser, editor

    Sex Without Romance: boy POV

    September Girls by Bennett Madison
    Sex & Violence by Carrie Mesrobian

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    1 hr 5 min
  • Episode #12: Worst Dude Ever

    Episode 12:  We discuss traditional cultural lessons regarding masculinity and YA titles that address masculinity in fascinating ways.

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    SHOW NOTES

    Our Current Reads

    Christa

    The War That Saved My Life, by Kimberly Brubaker Bradley
    Fates & Furies, by Lauren Groff
    Carrie:
    Raging Star, by Moira Young
    The Narcotic Farm, by Nancy D. Campbell

    “As an underclassman who suddenly has to be the quarterback while taking care of my grandmother and having no parents, I’m here to say being a man is complicated.”

    References

    2nd Annual WriteLadyHeadRight Flash Fiction Tumblr & submission guidelines
    My So-Called Life: the scene when Jordan Catalano holds Angela’s hand
    on the slobby dress of men & the movie Clueless
    Anatomy of a Country Music Song series
    Angie Manfredi on Twitter @misskubelik
    Iron John: A Book About Men, by Robert Bly
    Starhawk, author & activist
    a collection of romance novels edited by Christa
    “Best Of Grindr” on Instagram
    Sabaa Tahir on research and world-building in An Ember in the Ashes

    “Sure I get the ladies but I basically have no education or idea of what to do with my life post-football. So, yeah.”

    Recommended Reads

    Fever Pitch, by Heidi Cullinan
    Jellicoe Road, by Melina Marchetta
    All-American Boys, by Jason Reynolds & Brendan Kiely
    Winger, by Andrew Smith
    September Girls, by Bennett Madison
    An Ember in the Ashes, by Sabaa Tahir

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    1 hr 27 min
  • Episode #11: Our Sexual Education

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Episode 11:  We discuss some of the books that helped shape our own sexual education and thinking over the years.

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    Our Current Reads

    Christa
    The Theory of Everything by Gae Polisner

    Carrie

    The Spymaster’s Lady by Joanna Bourne
    Rogue Spy by Joanna Bourne
    An Ember in the Ashes by Sabaa Tahir

    “everything you’re saying is so resonant and deep and important; never stop talking…”

    References

    In Bed with Susie Bright podcast
    On Our Backs magazine
    writer Carol Queen
    Susie Sexpert’s Lesbian Sex World by Susie Bright
    Mother-Daughter Sex Advice by Susie Bright & Aretha Bright
    A Natural History of Love & A Natural History of the Senses by Diane Ackerman
    Leatherfolk: Radical Sex, People, Politics, and Practice edited by Mark Thompson
    a bit on Jocelyn Elders, former SURGEON GENERAL (not Attorney General candidate, that’s Carrie’s error)
    Disgruntled by Asali Solomon
    Sula by Toni Morrison
    The Bluest Eye by Toni Morrison
    “Penis Passion” essay by bell hooks
    The FetLife website

    “wow, yr both really turning me around on a lot of topics here”

    Recommended Reads 

    Full Exposure by Susie Bright
    Woman: An Intimate Geography by Natalie Angier
    Outrageous Acts & Everyday Rebellions by Gloria Steinem
    The Best American Erotica anthology series edited by Susie Bright & others
    Harmful to Minors: The Perils of Protecting Children from Sex by Judith Levine
    Cunt: A Declaration of Independence by Inga Muscio
    Song of Solomon by Toni Morrison
    The Story of O by Pauline Reage

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    1 hr 14 min
  • Episode #10: Illicit Relationships

    Episode 10:  We discuss illicit relationships where there is a power differential between the people involved, as well as legal and social restrictions.

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    Our Current Reads

    Carrie
    Walk On Earth A Stranger by Rae Carson
    The Master by Kresley Cole

    Christa

    Traffick by Ellen Hopkins
    The Death and Life of Zebulon Finch, Volume I: At the Edge of Empire by Daniel Kraus

     

    the power & control wheel

     

    References

    being on “the down low”
    “Is This TMI?” flash fiction
    Drowning Instinct by Ilsa J. Bick
    Boy Toy by Barry Lyga
    Flawed by Kate Avelynn
    Forbidden by Tabitha Suzuma
    How I Live Now by Meg Rosoff
    Searching for Caleb by Anne Tyler
    Other Broken Things by Christa Desir

    Recommended Reads

    Consent by Nancy Ohlin
    Girl by Blake Nelson
    How We Fall by Kate Brauning
    Out of Darkness by Ashley Hope Perez
    The Sacred Lies of Minnow Bly by Stephanie Oakes
    Still Waters by Ash Parsons

     

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    1 hr 7 min
  • Episode #9: Body Image

    Episode 9:  We discuss body image, in our own lives, and in the context of sexual content in YA books.

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    Our Current Reads

    Christa
    Faithfully Feminist: Jewish, Christian & Muslim Feminists & Why We Stay by Gina Messina-Dysert, Jennifer Zobair & Amy Levin, editors
    The Infinite In-Between by Carolyn Mackler

    Carrie

    Lizard Radio by Pat Schmatz
    Mastering The Art of Soviet Cooking by Anya von Bremzen

    References

    Dick Is Abundant & Of Low Value by Alana Massey
    The Year I Grew Wildly, While Men Looked On by Ashley Ford
    Another Round w/ Tracy Clayton & Heben Nigatu (subscribe here in iTunes)
    I Have Never Turned Heads: What it’s like when you’re not the object of desire by Sarah Einstein
    Carrie & Christa’s Twitter conversation re: Einstein article
    North of Beautiful by Justina Chen
    Beauty Queens by Libba Bray
    Belle Epoque by Elizabeth Ross

    Recommended Reads

    Dumplin’ by Julie Murphy
    Everything Beautiful by Simmone Howell
    Gabi, A Girl in Pieces by Isabel Quintero Flores
    I’ll Meet You There by Heather Demetrios

    “IS THIS TMI?”

    Do you have a story to share? We’re looking for real anecdotes/flash fiction (under 300 words) on the next topic we’re covering, which is Illicit Relationships. All stories kept confidential if desired, but send us to them and we’ll pick our favorite for the next episode.

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    1 hr 15 min
  • Episode #8: Cheating

    Episode 8:  We discuss cheating, in our own lives, and as portrayed in YA fiction.

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    SHOW NOTES

    Our Current Reads

    Christa: The Dinner by Herman Koch; Delicate Monsters by Stephanie Kuehn
    Carrie: Infinite Sky by CJ Flood; H Is For Hawk by Helen Macdonald; You Against Me by Jenny Downham

    References

    The Dept. of Speculation by Jenny Offill

    Swimming Sweet Arrow by Maureen Gibbon
    Life By Committee by Corey Ann Haydu
    Love & Other Theories by Alexis Bass

    Recommended Reads

    99 Days by Katie Cotugno
    Tyrell by Coe Booth
    Pointe by Brandy Colbert
    Jersey Angel by Beth Ann Bauman
    The Vast Fields of Ordinary by Nick Burd
    Breathless by Jessica Warman

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    1 hr 9 min
  • Episode #7: Writing Sex – A YA Fiction Craft Talk

    Episode #7:  We discuss writing about sex from a fiction craft perspective.

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    Current Reads

    Carrie: Lady Sings The Blues by Billie Holiday & William Dufty; Can’t Be Satisfied: The Life & Times of Muddy Waters by Robert Gordon
    Christa: Simon Vs. The Homosapiens Agenda by Becky Albertalli; The Vast Fields of Ordinary by Nick Burd

    CORE BELIEFS ON WRITING SEX <———–*cue angelic music*

    1) There is no trick and there are no rules. Writing sex doesn’t involve a kind of how-to recipe & moral authority holding a giant book of rules. The only rules that matter are the ones that govern the story you want to tell and the people you are depicting.

    2) If you aren’t comfortable writing about sex, then don’t do it. YA doesn’t require sex in it. If you don’t want to write about that aspect of adolescence, that is okay. But if you write about romance, realize that there has been an historic imbalance in YA of swoon versus physicality, which is sort of disingenuous in lots of ways.

    3) Sex scenes are some of the most closely-read prose ever produced. Kids who like to read and who are curious about sex will PORE over your sex scenes. They matter. 

    4) Good sex writing comes directly from good character development. You must be solid in the latter for success in the former.  When asking, ‘what can I do in my YA book?’ you need to kick back the question to the character: “what does this character do?”

    5) Writing sex scenes for teenagers is much different than writing them for adults.  Adults have completely different motivations, constraints & expectations for their sexual lives than adolescents. A lot of adolescents don’t even know what they want or need or like.

    6) Whether or not teens are having sex should not dictate if books should include it or not. Emerging sexuality is part of adolescent development and lopping it off for political reasons is like removing religion (or lack of religion) from a character’s personality. Which is to say that understanding a teen character’s feelings about their own sexuality makes for more richly developed characters.

    7) The biggest problem I’ve seen with sex scenes in YA books is the absolute unevenness of them with respect to other elements of the book. Authors will spend ten pages describing the inside of a castle but won’t spend ten words on what it feels like to have someone’s fingers inside them. In the romance world, you often see the opposite problem. There’s wall to wall sex details but so little plot or other dressing that it can feel like full-on porn.

    References & Books

    Carrie’s list of Romance Novel Words
    Andrew Karre’s blog post on What Teen Readers Want To See Regarding Sex
    What Is Graphic? – a post on using ‘graphic language’
    Breathless by Jessica Warman
    The Vagina Monologues script by Eve Ensler

    Some Interesting Links on Writing Sex by Steve Almond:

    “How To Write Sex Scenes – A 12-Step Program”  The Rumpus
    “On the Enchantments & Uses of Bad Writing” in The Writer’s Chronicle
    “What I Learned from Teaching a Sex-Writing Class” in Salon

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    1 hr 20 min
  • Episode #6: The Greatest Love Of All

    Episode #6:  We discuss that most taboo sex act, the Greatest Love of All, masturbation.

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    Current Reads

    – Christa: just finished The F-It List by Julie Halpern; now reading My True Love Gave To Me: Twelve Holiday Stories by Various YA Authors
    – Carrie: just finished The Alex Crow by Andrew Smith & The Summer Prince by Alaya Dawn Johnson; now reading By Its Cover by Donna Leon 


    References

    – Dahlia, the Twitter reference = Dahlia Adler, YA/NA Author
    – Betty Dodson’s main site w/ Carlin Ross, plus their YouTube channel and the video Carrie referenced where Betty draws the internal clitoral structure
    – Jaclyn Friedman’s main site and podcast “Fucking While Feminist” & book What You Really  Really Want: The Smart Girls Shame-Free Guide to Sex & Safety
    – Susie Bright’s podcast: “In Bed with Susie Bright” (free episodes via iTunes; subscribe via Audible)

    A Few Other Smart Women Who Write About Sex

    – Carol Queen
    – Chelsea G Summers
    – Tristan Taormino

    On Euphemisms & Masturbation 

    – Euphemism Generator site
    – Some slang for masturbation (FYI, this is a Reddit thread)
    – Beautiful Agony Tumblr (masturbation images from the neck up)

    Books Mentioned

    Bastard Out of Carolina by Dorothy Allison
    The Color Purple by Alice Walker
    Push by Sapphire
    Cunt: A Declaration of Independence by Inga Muscio
    Woman: An Intimate Geography by Natalie Angier
    If I Stay by Gayle Forman

    YA Books That Feature Masturbation

    The Summer Prince by Alaya Dawn Johnson
    Anatomy of a Boyfriend by Daria Snadowsky
    The Alex Crow by Andrew Smith
    Forget You by Jennifer Echols
    The Absolutely True Diary of a Part-Time Indian by Sherman Alexie
    Fingerprints of You by Kristen-Paige Madonia 
    Deenie by Judy Blume
    Then Again, Maybe I Won’t by Judy Blume
    Wildlife by Fiona Wood
    Guyaholic by Carolyn Mackler
    The F-It List by Julie Halpern
    The Infinite Moment of Us by Lauren Myracle
    Shade by Jeri Smith-Ready
    Stealing Parker by Miranda Kenneally
    Hello, Groin by Beth Goobie
    The Miseducation of Cameron Post by Emily Danforth

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    57 min
  • Episode #5: Kissing

    Episode 5:  In this episode, we discuss kissing in all its fabulous and delightful iterations. 

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    Show Notes

    – Christa’s current reads: Dreamland by Sarah Dessen and Kissing Ted Callahan by Amy Spalding
    – Carrie’s current reads: The Summer Prince by Alaya Dawn Johnson & Can’t Be Satisfied: The Life & Times of Muddy Waters by Robert Gordon
    – A bit about jheri curls, in case you’re wondering
    – what in the hell is PDA?

    Recommended Books

    Infandous by Elana K. Arnold
    Kissing Ted Callahan by Amy Spalding
    Anna & The French Kiss by Stephanie Perkins
    The Carnival at Bray by Jessie Ann Foley
    Just Listen by Sarah Dessen
    Gabi, A Girl In Pieces by Isabel Quintero Flores

     

    Got a good kissing story?  A really bad one? We’re down for anything! Leave a comment or kick us an email:
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    1 hr 2 min

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A frank and personal discussion of sexuality and young adult books between two authors who are friends.