In this podcast, Lisa explores trauma-informed, holistic approaches to food, eating, and body image, focusing on the psychology of shame, internalized sexism, and somatic experiences in therapy with David Bedrick. Together they discuss the importance of compassionate inquiry, critique mainstream treatment methods, and personal and professional journeys. Their conversation highlights the integration of emotional and physical healing, the role of self-compassion, and the value of unshaming in supporting individuals with disordered eating. 

Topics Include:

• Body Image

• Trauma Informed Care 

• Disordered Eating

• Coping Mechanisms

[:35] Lisa introduces David, expressing admiration for his work. David shares his professional background of over 30 years as a psychologist, 10 years as an attorney, author of five books including ‘The Unshaming Way’, and his research on body shame. David discusses his upbringing in a violent home, the impact of trauma and denial, and how these experiences led to his interest in trauma, shame, and psychology.

[10:22] David discusses with Lisa the differences in body image issues between men and women, highlighting the impact of sexism and internalized negative voices, especially for women. David shares findings from his research that resistance to dieting programs can be an act of self-love, rather than a lack of discipline. David explains how the ‘unshaming way’ reframes eating behaviors as intelligent responses to unmet needs rather than problems to be fixed. David describes how a client, after working on asserting her needs in life, saw a reduction in compulsive eating. 

[14:00] David presents a case where a woman’s craving for hamburgers was linked to her unmet need for autonomy and self-expression. By exploring her desires in a non-shaming way, she recognized that eating hamburgers was the only area where she prioritized her own needs, leading to broader personal growth. 

[21:00] David discusses three types of relationships: with oneself, with others, and with the world. He explains how eating behaviors can reflect unmet needs or safety concerns in these relationships, and how trauma or abuse can influence eating patterns as a means of coping or self-protection. David emphasizes that feelings of safety are foundational in addressing eating behaviors. 

[39:30] Lisa and David explore the importance of addressing both emotional and physical aspects when working with individuals who are severely underweight or overweight, rather than adopting a black-and-white approach. Lisa and David engage in discussion on the value of helping individuals connect with the literal, somatic experience of their bodies and suffering, rather than focusing on self-judgment or shaming.

[46:32] Lisa and David examine dissociation as a survival mechanism in trauma, and strategies for gently helping individuals reconnect with their bodies and experiences. Lisa and David talk about the transformative impact of being met with love, respect, compassion, and grace, both internally and from a supportive community.

[1:05:26] Lisa and David wrap up the episode by discussing how listeners can find him. David shares that he can be found on Instagram and his website, has written about 80 essays for Psychology Today, and is working on his fifth book. His fourth book, ‘The Unshaming Way,’ is being translated into seven languages. He offers a 10-month facilitator course and shorter, less expensive courses on trauma and healing.

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In this final episode of the exercise series, Lisa steps out of theory and into lived experience — sharing a personal essay written during her senior year of college. Titled “Inside the Box,” the piece chronicles one intense day inside a CrossFit gym.

Topics Include:

• CrossFit 

• Exercise Enthusiasts

• Community

• Personal Transformation

[1:05] Lisa explains her intention to wrap up the conversation on exercise by sharing a personal essay she wrote 10 years ago, rather than continuing with her own thoughts, theories, and ideas on the subject. Lisa notes it was a paper written for an investigative journalism class in her senior year of college in 2015. She mentions it is optional reading in the group coaching program’s exercise module. The essay, “Inside the Box,” details one day of a CrossFit workout. Lisa describes the workout emphasizing the extreme intensity and challenge.

[4:52] Lisa describes the physical environment of the CrossFit gym, referred to as a “box,” as a space dedicated to transforming bodies and minds. The gym’s layout includes workout equipment like kettlebells, medicine balls, and free weights on one wall, and rowing machines and pull-up bars on the other. A whiteboard advertises CrossFit as an “anti-aging drug” with side effects including stamina, strength, flexibility, power, speed, agility, coordination, balance, accuracy, and community.

[8:12] Lisa describes the official CrossFit philosophy, established by Greg Glassman in 2000, aims for overall improvement in all capacities rather than specialization. Lisa talks about the program’s controversial reputation due to injuries, hospitalizations, and deaths, with rhabdomyolysis being a known repercussion. 

[11:57] Lisa recounts her participation in a highly encouraged fundamentals class, designed to teach prospective athletes “how to walk before learning how to run.” With a personal trainer, she learned proper form for deadlifts, presses, squats, snatches, and thrusters using a 15-pound training bar, before graduating to join the regular class.

[19:05] Lisa highlights the strong sense of community, mutual support, and camaraderie. She describes how finished athletes support those still working out and how CrossFitters are attracted to the atmosphere, community, camaraderie, and sense of belonging, 

[23:42] Lisa recounts her lifelong dread of gym class and the mile run, starting her fitness journey at 302 pounds at her first Jenny Craig appointment, aiming to halve her body weight. Lisa describes months of diverse exercises and particularly challenging interval training on the treadmill with a stern trainer. She details the physical discomfort and her internal struggle. Lisa describes the mindset shift from resistance to a “bring-it-bitch attitude,” where temporary suffering became an indication of pushing limits, resulting in feelings of power, strength, achievement, and triumph, and feeling invincible. Lisa explains why CrossFit’s intensity, addiction, and cult-like following do not surprise her.

[41:18] Lisa clarifies that her essay reflects her personal experience and investigation. She emphasizes that CrossFit varies greatly depending on the gym (“box”) and its community, and her experience may not be universal for all CrossFit participants. Lisa ends the series by thanking all of her listeners for going on the journey with her.

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In this third episode, Lisa unpacks how movement can become a powerful act of self-care — not self-control. Drawing on her own healing and trauma-informed expertise, she challenges some mainstream fitness narratives and reclaims exercise as a tool for reconnection, resilience, and radical self-acceptance.

Topics Include:

• Mind-body Connection

• Exercise Intensity

• Intentional Movement

• Self-Acceptance

[1:43] Lisa discusses the importance of healing dissociation and strengthening the mind-body connection, particularly through movement and exercise, referencing the nervous system and polyvagal theory. Lisa explains the basics of polyvagal theory, differentiating between sympathetic (fight-or-flight) and parasympathetic (rest-and-digest) nervous system responses, and highlights the importance of understanding whether someone is in hyperarousal or hypoarousal (freeze). Lisa emphasizes that movement, especially intentional and conscious movement, is crucial for shifting out of a freeze state and re-engaging with life.

[13:05] Lisa critiques the narrative that only gentle movement is healthy, arguing that for some people, high-intensity movement is necessary and supportive for healing. Lisa addresses concerns about high-intensity exercise raising cortisol, explaining that acute stress is natural and only becomes harmful if not balanced with rest, nutrition, and hydration. Lisa introduces the idea of using exercise as an opportunity to practice showing up as the person you aspire to be, referencing her work with clients.

[25:00] Lisa discusses insights from clients and personal observations about how one’s mindset and self-identity at work or during exercise significantly impact the experience, especially for those with chronic pain. She emphasizes that it is not the activity itself but the internal dialogue and self-perception that create stress or discomfort. 

[34:45] Lisa explains that negative self-talk and a judgmental mindset during exercise can trigger stress responses and contribute to chronic pain. She highlights the importance of recognizing the ‘inner predator’ and shifting to a more compassionate, supportive internal dialogue. Lisa addresses the importance of intention in exercise, noting that exercising to change oneself out of shame or inadequacy sends danger signals to the brain, while exercising from a place of self-acceptance and abundance fosters safety and healing.

[46:12] Lisa points out that any movement, not just yoga, can be a mind-body exercise if approached with mindful attention. She shares the practice of focusing solely on the present activity, such as being on the mat or treadmill, to enhance the mind-body connection. Lisa recounts how “John” taught her to be present and connected to her body during weightlifting, which led to a transformative realization about exercise and life.

[52:45] Lisa encourages listeners to act as their own coach or trainer, pushing themselves out of love and self-care rather than self-criticism, and to remember their inherent worthiness. Lisa asserts that everyone deserves and is worthy of stretching beyond their comfort zone, and that self-care and personal growth are individual responsibilities. 

[1:04:25] Lisa invites listeners to reach out with questions, comments, or reflections about their experiences and the topics discussed.  

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In the second episode of this series, Lisa unpacks what it means to reclaim exercise as an act of self-care, not self-control. Drawing from her own journey and trauma-informed expertise, she explores how mindful, functional movement can reconnect us to our bodies, build emotional resilience, and support holistic well-being. With compassion and clarity, Lisa challenges the myths we’ve inherited about exercise, and invites everyone to shift from shame-based discipline to embodied empowerment.

Topics Include:

• Relationship with Exercise

• Functional Training 

• Mindset and Discipline

• Self-Compassion and Growth

[1:42] Lisa reflects on her long-term journey with exercise, acknowledging years of conscious movement and empathizing with listeners who feel disconnected from exercise or have negative associations due to past experiences. Lisa shares her own childhood experiences of gym class anxiety and trauma, expressing deep empathy for listeners who may carry similar feelings into adulthood. Lisa discusses the concept of reclaiming one’s relationship with exercise, encouraging listeners to redefine movement in a way that feels supportive and enjoyable for their future.

[4:32] Lisa explains functional training as movement patterns that mirror everyday activities (walking, running, lifting, lunging, squatting, pushing, pulling, twisting) and highlights its integration into daily life for holistic health. Lisa emphasizes that exercise is not just about physical health but also mental, emotional, and spiritual well-being. 

[7:50] Lisa discusses how exercise can help heal dissociation and mind-body disconnect, especially for those with trauma histories, by fostering intentional awareness of bodily sensations. Lisa suggests using movement not to change the body, but to reconnect with it and become more aware of physical sensations, which can translate to greater emotional awareness. Lisa explains that experiencing discomfort during exercise is essential for physical and personal growth, distinguishing between healthy discomfort and pain, and highlighting how tolerating discomfort in the gym can translate to better emotional resilience.

[22:00] Lisa stresses the importance of recognizing and respecting one’s physical limits and plateaus during exercise, noting that denial can lead to injury and that these experiences do not reflect personal failure. Lisa emphasizes the necessity of rest and recovery, stating that even professional athletes and Olympians should not work out seven days a week, and that honoring the body’s need for rest prevents injury and overtraining. 

[30:30] Lisa discusses the concept that there is no finish line in fitness; progress is ongoing, with new goals always emerging. Lisa emphasizes the importance of being present, celebrating achievements, and avoiding burnout by acknowledging progress. Lisa addresses the complex relationship with discipline, advocating for a self-loving, compassionate approach rather than self-loathing. Lisa discusses how practicing discipline in movement and exercise can help with other habits and behaviors outside of the workout space.

[51:25] Lisa discusses how exercise serves as a mechanism for practicing resilience, self-reflection, and personal development, focusing on how individuals respond to obstacles, discomfort, and disappointment. Lisa talks about how her clients would often underestimate their physical and emotional strength, and the role of her as their coach in helping them realize their true capacity. 

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In the first solo episode of this series, Lisa dives into what it takes to build a healthy, lasting relationship with movement and exercise. She explores how tuning into your body — not punishing it — is the key to sustainable exercise, and how self-inquiry and experimentation help you discover what truly feels good. Lisa reframes movement as essential care, not a chore — something our bodies are meant to do — and invites listeners to shift from a mindset of restriction to one of nourishment, growth, and joyful embodiment.

Topics Include:

• Exercise Mindset

• Self Compassion

• Body Awareness

[1:03] Lisa makes two announcements: the group coaching program that started in May and the five-day retreat at the Omega Institute in September. 

[3:54] Lisa explains her motivation for recording a solo episode focused on exercise, aiming to provide a comprehensive resource for those struggling with their relationship to exercise. Lisa reflects on her personal growth since starting the podcast, describing the initial anxiety and how she now feels calm, grounded, and grateful for the platform.

[5:33] Lisa emphasizes the importance of understanding one’s beliefs and emotional responses to exercise, encouraging listeners to reflect on where their attitudes toward exercise originated. Lisa urges listeners to critically examine the origins of their beliefs about exercise, including the influence of experts and profit motives, and to assess whether these beliefs are still serving them.

[15:53] Lisa discusses viewing exercise as maintenance and care for the body, emphasizing the body as a vehicle for the soul and the importance of movement for overall well-being. Lisa addresses the emotional challenges of returning to exercise after a break, the tendency to compare oneself to past abilities, and the need for both gentle and fierce self-compassion to overcome avoidance.

[41:21] Lisa talks about the importance of engaging in a conversation with the body rather than making demands. Instead of immediately acting on the urge to move by enforcing structured exercise, one should ask the body what kind of movement, duration, and intensity it desires. 

[57:28] Lisa encourages listeners to reclaim their relationship with exercise, making it personally meaningful and enjoyable rather than dictated by external pressures or diet culture. The invitation is to reflect on how to integrate these ideas into one’s life. Lisa invites listeners to submit questions about exercise and movement via Spotify, email, or Instagram for future episodes. 

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In this episode, Lisa is joined by Danielle Harel, PhD and cofounder of the Somatica Institute. Together, they discuss healing through embodied pleasure, mindful sensory engagement, and personal growth strategies to counteract societal conditioning and rebuild self-worth.

Topics Include:

• Embodied Pleasure

• Self Empowerment

• Pleasurable Experiences

[1:06] Lisa welcomes Danielle Harel, PhD in human sexuality and co-founder of the Somatica Institute, for a groundbreaking conversation on tackling themes of sex, intimacy, body image, and self-worth. Lisa shares the email that connected her with Danielle and her excitement at exploring this topic on the OOTC podcast. Lisa notes that with over 120 episodes, this discussion marks a first exploration of topics like sex and intimacy on the podcast. They discuss how societal messages and objectification, such as the constant focus on appearance and weight, deeply influence self-perception and body shame. Danielle talks about the need to counteract these habits by reconnecting with internal sensations. 

[10:06] Danielle explores using sensuality, intimacy, and erotic embodiment as tools for empowerment and this includes embracing full body sensations and recognizing pleasure as a means to rebuild self-worth and challenge internalized cultural messages. Lisa and Danielle excitedly discuss neurobiology and the concept of neuroplasticity, noting that repetitive thought patterns (like objectifying oneself) form strong neural pathways, which can be reshaped by actively engaging with pleasurable sensations and mindful embodiment.

[18:33] Danielle talks about sex beyond penetration, promoting the idea of pleasure in everyday experiences such as movement, tasting food, and overall sensory enjoyment and the empowerment found in diverse pleasurable experiences. discussion about food as a source of pleasure. Lisa and Danielle point out that when food becomes the only source of pleasure, it can lead to disordered eating. They discuss the need for a balanced approach where food is enjoyed along with other life pleasures.

[35:30] Lisa and Danielle cover the significance of receiving compliments and self-affirmation as a way to counteract internal criticism, encouraging acceptance and internalizing positive feedback. Danielle discusses how many people have a fear of pleasure due to cultural and societal conditioning. Lisa and Danielle discuss the challenge of slowing down and being present, making gradual steps to allow the nervous system to learn that pleasure is safe.

[51:06] Lisa and Danielle talk about the importance of reclaiming one’s own sexuality from societal and cultural narratives, emphasizing a shift towards experiencing and expressing bodily pleasure as a natural part of being human.

[56:04] Danielle discusses the benefits of personal growth experience in a group of other people who are going to do it with you and the core training offered through the Somatica Institute. She shared that there is also training for coaches. Danielle offered a 20% off discount for the OOTC audience for the Love Your Body class. She can also be found on Instagram. 

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Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025 

In this episode, Lisa is joined by group coaching alumni, Jen. They discuss Jen’s personal journey of healing from childhood family dynamics, body image struggles, and emotional challenges, highlighting the importance of community, self-responsibility, and ongoing support in achieving self-acceptance and well-being.

Topics Include:

• Family Dynamics

• Body Image

• Emotional Healing

[0:31] Lisa announces that the next round of the Out of the Cave group coaching program will start soon in May 2025, encouraging listeners to reach out within the next couple of days if interested.

[2:13] Lisa introduces the episode as an interview with Jen, who has participated in the group coaching program, aftercare program, and a retreat, highlighting Jen’s growth and healing. Jen shares she is 43 years old, a wife, mother to a 19-year-old and a 7-year-old first grader, the youngest of three sisters, and a special education teacher. She identifies as a recovering perfectionist and people pleaser.

[4:07] Jen describes being a ‘surprise’ child, with sisters 8 and 13 years older, and growing up in a house built for two children. She recalls her parents’ backgrounds, family traditions, and the impact of being the youngest and unplanned. Jen reflects on the recurring family narrative of her being a surprise, how it was discussed publicly, and how she internalized this story, realizing its impact only in adulthood. Jen describes predictable family meals, with her father being present and supportive, and her mother always preparing meals. Jen talks about her father finishing leftover food to avoid conflict, highlighting family dynamics around food and emotional safety.

[46:39] Jen describes initial isolation and academic focus during the first quarters of college, experiencing loneliness. Her turning point came when her roommate encouraged her to join a sorority, which led to increased confidence and a sense of belonging. Jen realized that many peers in the sorority share similar body image struggles, which helped her feel less alone and more confident.

[58:53] Jen describes a period of self-discovery and reinvention during and after college, emphasizing the importance of social connections, leadership opportunities, and overcoming social anxiety. Jen met her husband through a persistent colleague, married after a few years of dating, and navigated the challenges of blending families and moving homes. Jen experienced a ‘geriatric pregnancy’ at age 36, lost weight due to focusing on her child’s well-being.

[1:03:27] Jen discusses the significant stress from her father’s pancreatic cancer diagnosis, his death, and a miscarriage, all compounded by the pandemic. Jen talks about reverting to food for comfort and loss, leading to substantial weight gain. Jen sought out supportive doctors, eventually connecting with Dr. Susan Caldwell who recommended the OOTC podcast. Jen credits this as a turning point, leading to self-reflection and engagement with a supportive community.

[1:12:52] Jen emphasizes the necessity of group support, aftercare, and the ongoing connection with others who understand her experience. Lisa and Jen discuss that healing has no finish line, is messy, and requires ongoing acceptance and adaptation. Jen talks about initially resisting group programs but found it essential for connection and healing, noting the value of support from others. Jen encourages listeners to overcome hesitation and invest in their own healing, stating the process is life-changing and worth the investment. 

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Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025 

In this episode, Lisa is joined once again by group coaching alumn, Theresa and together they explore Theresa’s journey of personal growth. They focus on her evolving relationship with food, emotional awareness, and the continuous process of recovery and behavior change.

Topics Include:

• Recovery

• Emotional Awareness

• Behavior Changes

[2:51] Theresa introduces herself as a mother, a wife, a friend, a sister, and all of the things.Theresa reflects on her personal growth since her last podcast appearance in 2023, noting significant changes in her relationship with food and self-awareness. Theresa discusses her struggle with dieting and the illusion of control over food, highlighting her realization of not eating enough calories.

[10:29] Theresa shares her emotional journey regarding her body image, including feelings of sadness and the desire to stabilize her weight. Theresa mentions the concept of addiction transference, emphasizing the importance of not replacing one addiction with another.

[17:10] Theresa expresses feeling brave and vulnerable while sharing personal experiences, emphasizing the importance of not caring about others’ opinions. Lisa discusses skepticism around dieting and the false promise of achieving a goal weight to solve body image issues.

[27:32] Theresa shares personal growth experiences, highlighting changes in mindset and behavior regarding food and self-acceptance. Lisa explains using the relationship with food as a mechanism to learn self-love and reparenting. Theresa describes integrating different parts of oneself and developing self-compassion, leading to less judgment and more conscious choices.

[33:47] Lisa discusses the ongoing nature of recovery, comparing it to the 12-step model, emphasizing that recovery is a continuous process and not a one-time fix. Theresa shares initial resistance to the concept of recovery related to food, but finds comfort in the idea of recovery from codependence, as discussed by Terry Cole.

[51:43] Lisa explains the importance of recognizing emotional eating patterns and learning to sit with discomfort to make different choices.Theresa highlights the value of group support in the recovery process, noting how group questions can help individuals understand their own experiences.

[58:13] Lisa emphasizes the importance of the mind-body connection, particularly in moments of stress or emotional distress and the power of breath awareness to shift from a stress response to a stress relief response. Theresa and Lisa discuss the idea that issues with food are often not about the food itself but about underlying emotional needs and coping mechanisms.

[1:01:32] Lisa mentions that in module 11 of the 14-week group coaching program, highlighting the ongoing nature of personal development and the realization that change is a continuous process. Lisa wraps up by telling Theresa how proud she is of her progress. 

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May OOTC Group Coaching Program

In this episode, Lisa is joined by Jasmine Hormati, a registered dietitian and certified intuitive eating counselor, who founded Mendinground Nutrition in NYC. Jasmine shares her insights on a non-diet, weight-inclusive approach to nutrition, focusing on eating disorders and disordered eating. She discusses her journey into the field, the challenges of working in a non-diet space, and the importance of understanding clients’ needs and desires for weight loss.

Topics Include:

• Eating Disorders and Recovery

• Intuitive Eating

• Nutrition Therapy

[1:48] Jasmine Hormati introduces herself as a registered dietitian, certified intuitive eating counselor, and founder of Mendinground Nutrition, focusing on eating disorders and disordered eating with a non-diet approach. Jasmine shares her journey from being pre-dental to discovering her passion for nutrition and intuitive eating, influenced by her upbringing and education in Los Angeles and UC Berkeley. 

[8:00] Lisa and Jasmine discuss how intuitive eating and Health at Every Size differ from traditional nutrition education, emphasizing a balanced, non-diet approach to food and body image. Jasmine explains her approach to supporting clients with eating disorders, focusing on food, exercise, and body image, while incorporating emotional and logistical aspects.

[14:33] Lisa and Jasmine cover the pendulum swing from dieting to anti-diet culture and finding a middle ground with intuitive eating, emphasizing flexibility and balance. They unpack how emotional eating is not inherently problematic unless it becomes the primary coping mechanism. They talk about the importance of having a balance of physical and emotional solutions.

[26:37] Lisa and Jasmine dive into how diet culture often disconnects individuals from their body’s cues, leading to mistrust and the need for reconnecting with one’s body is essential for intuitive eating. Jasmine explains that her practice is weight-inclusive, meaning she focuses on health indicators beyond weight, such as blood values and emotional well-being.

[38:00] Lisa and Jasmine discuss how she addresses clients who express a desire to lose weight. They explore the reasons behind this desire and focus on holistic health rather than prescribing weight loss plans. They both emphasize the importance of keeping the client at the center of care, respecting their goals, and not imposing the practitioner’s agenda.

[40:56] Jasmine acknowledges the challenges of working in a non-diet, weight-inclusive space, especially when clients have specific weight loss goals. Lisa and Jasmine discuss the influence of medical professionals and the importance of questioning their authority when it conflicts with personal health goals.

[50:00] Lisa and Jasmine wrap up the discussion with where she can be found online: Website | Instagram.

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Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025 

May OOTC Group Coaching Program 

In this episode, Lisa and Lara Days discuss the controversial topic of pursuing intentional weight loss during eating disorder recovery. They explore different perspectives, emphasizing the importance of first achieving a stable relationship with food before considering weight loss. 

Topics Include:

• Eating Disorders and Recovery

• Intentional Weight Loss

• Fat Phobia

[0:06] Lisa begins this episode by announcing the last day of the early bird special for ⁠her May group coaching program⁠ and a ⁠free seven-day mirror work challenge⁠ starting March 31, 2025. She also mentions her upcoming Omega Retreat, ⁠Reclaiming Peace With Food⁠, on September 7-12, 2025 for deeper in-person healing work. 

[6:43] Lara introduces herself as an intuitive eating counselor, sound healer, yoga instructor, and musician, currently residing in Dallas, TX. Her work is rooted in her core belief that all humans have the right to experience a joyful relationship with food, movement, body, and self.

[8:00] Lisa and Lara discuss the nuances of eating disorder recovery and intentional weight loss. They emphasize the importance of defining recovery and ensuring a stable relationship with food before considering weight loss. Both agree on prioritizing mental and emotional healing over focusing solely on weight loss.

[21:53] Lisa discusses a three-level approach to weight loss, focusing on mental and emotional well-being before addressing physical changes. She emphasizes the importance of self-compassion and healthy habits, noting that weight loss can occur naturally when health is prioritized.

[33:00] Lisa and Lara discuss the societal obsession with aesthetics and the need for a distinction between weight loss for health versus aesthetics. They talk about the importance of addressing quality of life issues, such as pain and mobility, over superficial weight goals. Lisa shares her personal experience with weight loss and the stigma around wanting to lose weight. She stresses the importance of creating a space where people can pursue weight loss for comfort and health without feeling judged or shamed.

[46:00] Lara and Lisa discuss the nuances of fat phobia and weight loss, emphasizing that wanting to feel better physically does not equate to fat phobia. They highlight the need for more nuanced conversations around body image and health. 

[53:56] Lara talks about intuitive eating and the importance of understanding body cues. They explore that discomfort often arises from unfamiliarity with one’s body and stress the need to explore the reasons behind this discomfort, such as lifestyle changes or physical limitations.

[1:03:57] Lisa and Lara discuss the ineffectiveness of one-size-fits-all approaches in health and wellness. They criticize the concept of ‘one size fits all’ in clothing and diet plans, emphasizing the need for personalized approaches.

[1:06:37] The conversation touches on cancel culture, with Lisa expressing a desire to cancel it. They discuss the nuances of cancel culture, acknowledging that while it can be justified in some cases, it often lacks understanding and context. Lisa and Lara debate the impact of ‘What I Eat in a Day’ videos. While acknowledging potential harm, they argue for a more nuanced view, suggesting that these videos can be informative if presented with the right intentions and context.

[1:16:57] Lisa and Lara wrap up the discussion with where she can be found on Instagram.

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