Stefanie O’Connell joins The Pain Gap for a fiery, deeply validating conversation at the intersection of women’s health, financial health, and power. A leading voice on money, ambition, and gender equity, Stefanie breaks down what she calls “the ambition penalty”: the reality that ambition is praised and rewarded in men, but often penalized in women, at work, at home, and in public life.
Together, Anushay and Stefanie connect the dots between the pay gap and the pain gap, how patriarchy relies on undervaluing women’s labor, time, and bodies, and how gaslighting (culturally and politically) keeps women questioning what they know they’re experiencing. They unpack why financial advice for women so often tells us to “shrink” (save, sacrifice, coupon) while men are encouraged to “build” (earn, invest, accumulate), and why women aren’t “risk averse”; they’re risk-aware.
They also dive into the real-life consequences of inequity: how women face backlash for negotiating, why burnout isn’t caused by women “wanting too much,” and how community and collective care, not individual self-optimization, are the path forward. Stefanie shares the mission behind her work, the importance of data in cutting through gaslighting, and why women are entitled not just to income, but to wealth and long-term power.
Plus: Stefanie’s new book, The Ambition Penalty: How Corporate Culture Tells Women to Step Up and Then Pushes Them Down, is available for preorder now and ships May 19.
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The Ambition Penalty: How Corporate Culture Tells Women to Step Up and Then Pushes Them Down: amazon, barnes & noble, bookshop, books-a-million
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