Haley interviews Dr. Grace Hamman. Dr. Hamman is a writer and independent scholar of late medieval poetry and contemplative writing. She is the author of Ask of Old Paths and Jesus through Medieval Eyes and she hosts a podcast called Old Books with Grace which celebrates the beauty and joy found in reading the literature and theology of the past. She lives near Denver, Colorado with her husband and three young children. This episode explores the virtues and vices and how to help educate our children to understand, recognize, and seek virtue.

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