Roby Alampay continues his conversation with Prof. Joseph Chinyong Liow of Nanyang Technological University. They discuss how the Philippines is recalibrating its ties as China rises and the United States retreats from Southeast Asia. They also unpack why the Philippines remains pro-America in public opinion but increasingly open to China’s economic influence.

Liow wrote about Southeast Asia’s quiet pivot with Yuen Foong Khong of the National University of Singapore, which you can read on Foreign Affairs. Meanwhile, you can listen to the first part of the interview here.

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