In this episode of Phoenix Cast, hosts John, Kyle and Rich talk to special guest Gene Kim, author of The Phoenix Project and namesake of the podcast. Gene has been studying high performing technology organizations for 23 years. His journey started in 1999 when he was the CTO and founder of a company called Tripwire in the information security space. The hosts share how his book, The Phoenix Project, inspired them and helped them succeed in the IT and innovation world. They discuss Gene's observations about what it takes to be a high performing organization and how the military is uniquely postured to excel as it embraces change and the future.

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