We pick up part two of our discussion with C2 Labs Co-Founder and CTO Travis Howerton looking at how the best laid plans start with the truth. And we explore the security path forward in a hyper-connected world where we move more heavily into IoT and everything is connected, dying air gaps and distributed VPNs, identity management as the new firewall, identifying clear lines of deterrence with nation-states particularly within no consequence environments, the continuing skills gap and the looming threat of quantum computing that the first one to solve will be the true winner in cyber ahead. For links and resources discussed in this episode, please visit our show notes at https://www.forcepoint.com/govpodcast/e123