Mike Fox of the Cato Institute joins Josh to discuss the trial of Kilmer Abrego Garcia and how the Trump administration's attempted use of a plea bargain—and Garcia's refusal to accept it—has put not only the administration's mistake in his case but also the entire plea bargaining process in the spotlight. Using the Garcia case as one example, Josh and Mike explore how prosecutors wield plea bargains. They examine the manipulative and heavy-handed tactics that convince the majority of defendants to surrender their right to a trial by a jury of their peers.

Mike's article in Reason:

https://reason.com/2025/10/09/whats-really-at-stake-in-the-kilmar-abrego-garcia-case/

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