Host David From sits down with Chris Koopman, CEO of the Abundance Institute, to unpack why data centers—the backbone of our digital lives and the rise of AI—are straining America’s electric grid, and how policy is either clearing the runway or clogging it. Koopman explains the explosive growth in compute demand, why years-long permitting and legacy rules are the real bottlenecks, and how states can welcome next-gen infrastructure without sacrificing reliability for “grandma’s AC.” He also highlights creative solutions—from private grids to siting innovation—and why permitting reform is essential if we want abundant, affordable power.

Then, the conversation turns to nuclear’s resurgence, especially advanced and small modular reactors that promise safer, scalable, always-on energy to meet AI’s round-the-clock needs. Koopman makes the case for empowering communities through competition and choice: defend open-source AI, let startups flourish, and allow states to pick the energy mix that fits their resources—whether that’s gas, wind, solar, or nuclear. If America wants to lead the next industrial revolution, we need an “abundance mindset” that unleashes builders and modernizes the rules holding them back.