Strugglers, men, women, and country folk lend me your data bundles as we deliver another incredible podcast episode to you! This week, Phil is still avoiding Home Affairs in South Africa and somehow managed to rope in Hip Hop heavyweight, TV presenter and producer Tebogo Thekisho more commonly known as ProVerb. During the interview Phil discusses ProVerb’s journey from Kimberley South Africa to Johannesburg to study at WITS Tech only to be distracted by his love for music and being discovered by Outrageous records before releasing his classic debut Book Of ProVerb. Now after 5 albums ProVerb now runs his own label, ProVerb Music and has bought into his own production company which produced the hit show Idols (which he hosts) as well as other shows like Ms South Africa. We also discover what drives the mighty Verb to continue pushing despite the fact that he has already accomplished so much since his debut a decade ago.