In this episode of Let’s Not Sugarcoat It, Bella and Lee sit down with Ian Chisholm, founder and partner of Roy Group, a Victoria based leadership development firm that helps organizations build stronger leaders, deeper mentorship cultures, and more resilient teams.

Ian is also the author of Quiet Champions: A Way Forward for Mentors in Turbulent Times, a book about mentorship, presence, leadership, and the quiet people who help others become who they are meant to be.

This conversation explores leadership beyond titles, mentorship beyond advice, and why the leaders who matter most are not always the loudest people in the room. Ian shares what it means to work with your partner in business and life, how leaders can use reflection, inquiry, pause, and action, and why mentorship is one of the oldest and most powerful ways humans develop each other.

Bella, Lee, and Ian also talk about vulnerability in leadership, emotional honesty, the difference between reacting and responding, why leaders need trusted people around them, and how mentors help others make sense of their experience without taking over their path.