“If we put the church at the center as the why, as the purpose, then it’s actually just about us. The purpose of the church is not us. The purpose of the church is about God and what God’s doing.”

A podcast for Pastors, Leaders, and Re-Thinkers of the Jesus way. Please subscribe, comment, and share. Music compliments of Aaron Strumpel.

[0:00] Welcome to the Quiet Reformation

[0:54] Introducing Tim Soerens

[7:00] “We just might be in the early days of a reformation that will one day be written about in history books.”

[7:32] The good news of church decline is that we’re beginning to ask different types of questions.

[9:30] “What is the church FOR” is the question we need to pay attention to.

[10:28] Simon Sinek - Start With Why

[12:05] The purpose of the church is about shalom, about the reconciliation of everything

[13:40] You, on your own, even if you are a “super Christian” are not the church; none of us are.

[15:40] The world is crying out for people who are pointing themselves at the common good of a particular place, who have a narrative, a story that say: forgive each other 70x7, bear one another’s burdens, by all means possible stay put and be shaped by that place even as you are seeking to shape it.

[17:15] I wanted to be a rock-star pastor.

[18:05] A gift of the “seeker-sensitive” movement, was trying to create a hospitable space for the other.

[19:00] When there is not a pastoral imagination to aspire to, we’re in a different kind of hurt than the celebrity pastor idol. We do need people to look up to in a healthy way.

[20:15] Australian missiologists: Alan Hirsch and Michael Frost

[22:22] Rather than get people to come into the church in order to go out, look for whole disciples who are out there living the Jesus was in the neighborhood and use the gathering to be encouraging, celebrating, lamenting that Kingdom Life happening together.

[24:01] The Holy Spirit is the “how” to God’s Dream. We need to trust the Holy Spirit in us and out ahead of us. We join the Spirit’s work as opposed to delivering the Holy Spirit.

[25:20] Without the Spirit, the outcome is either shame or pride.

[27:35] “The divisions of the Church are a public denial of the sufficiency of the atonement.” - Lesslie Newbigin

[30:20] Appreciative Inquiry

[33:18] If the heart of God’s mission is reconciliation and renewal, and if the church is neither reconciled nor one, then Christian mission requires the pursuit of church unity.

[35:55] Disasters reveal things. Social capital, the trust between people, gets revealed, not when things go good, but when things go bad.

[40:45] God holds all things. We aren’t, nor need to be, the heroes of the story. Rest in that reality regardless of your success or failure in this moment.

“We are called to ministry, but unless we do it God’s way, with God’s power, using God’s word, God’s gospel, for God’s glory, we’re going to go down some rabbit trails that are going to lead to discouragement and early burn-out.”

A podcast for Pastors, Leaders, and Re-Thinkers of the Jesus way. Please subscribe, comment, and share. Music compliments of Aaron Strumpel.

[0:00] Welcome to the Quiet Reformation.

[0:50] Introducing Jim Cymbala

[3:34] Covid led to connection which led to the content of the book

[5:35] Acts 20:13-38 - Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. 2 Timothy 1:6-10 - Fan into flame the gift of God

[7:43] Negative circumstances shouldn’t always determine the will of God. 2Cor 11:23-31

[9:15] In adapting to the culture, are we losing the basic essence of Christian ministry?

[11:25] The Holy Spirit is the only one who can lead the Church.

[12:30] Losing Jesus is a net gain for the Church

[13:35] A.W. Tozer: “If the Holy Spirit was withdrawn from the church today, 95 percent of what we do would go on and no one would know the difference. If the Holy Spirit had been withdrawn from the New Testament church, 95 percent of what they did would stop, and everybody would know the difference.”

[16:00] Are you working for Christ or listening to Christ and responding to Him?

[18:30] Getting desperate for God isn’t fun, but essential.

[21:10] Is our preaching alive? Water can come in liquid form and refresh people or you can serve them a block of ice. If we re-preach a message, we must rely even more on the Holy Spirit.

[23:10] Living with a predominant sense of failure, even with a “big church”, because there is so much more need. A godly burden motivates ministry.

[24:45] Everything is going to disappear, but people. 1 Thessalonians 2:18-20 - For we wanted to come to you—indeed I, Paul, tried again and again—but Satan obstructed us. For what is our hope, our joy, or the crown in which we will glory in the presence of our Lord Jesus when he comes? Is it not you? Indeed, you are our glory and joy.

[28:50] Closing Reflections

[29:30] Acts 6 - appointing servants so that those leaders at the core of the Church can have the priority of not just doing actions, but staying tuned in on what the Lord is saying.

[32:45] The Spirit doesn’t just speak to one person; how does communal discernment work?

[35:40] Manifold wisdom gives a bigger picture of God’s glory and God’s story; listening to God doesn’t mean you do the talking.

[39:05] Are the academy and the local church at odds with one another?

[recorded: November 30, 2022]

A podcast from Netzer.org with Tim Doering (vision+networking) and Justin Ryan Boyer (producer)

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10 Minute Bible Devotional

Music: Aaron Strumpel (After and Like You)

EPHESIANS 5: For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.

1 JOHN 5: And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life. Little children, keep yourselves from idols.

A podcast from Netzer.org with Tim Doering (vision+networking) and Justin Ryan Boyer (producer)

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10 Minute Bible Devotional

Music: Aaron Strumpel (After and Sanctify)

ISAIAH 61: I delight greatly in the Lord; my soul rejoices in my God. For he has clothed me with garments of salvation and arrayed me in a robe of his righteousness.

2 CORINTHIANS 5: For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

ROMANS 13: Clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the flesh.

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“In Christ, there is one new humanity that now exists. You are part of it and you don’t have a choice. That, for Americans, isn’t always great news, because we imagine maturity as being independent of everyone else.”

“We are seated with Christ… that is such an important and often untapped resource for us as believers today. The idea, even as I go about my daily life, that in some true spiritual way, I am seated with Christ in the heavenlies.”

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In today’s episode: slavery, the supremacy of Christ, husband/wife relationships, how to read the Bible, and much more.

[0:50] Introducing Dr. Lynn Cohick

[2:25] How Do We Read and Study The Scriptures?

[3:30] God’s Word is also a human document; real people wrote to a real audience that listened

[4:50] The genre of the text carries meaning

[5:17] Be self-reflective as to what you are bringing to the text; what are you taking for granted?

[6:38] Are there any important Hebraic mindsets to consider in approaching Ephesians?

[7:11] Second Temple Jews were not individuals, they were part of a community that needed to function together as a unit.

[8:40] How was “covenant” different between the Jewish and Gentile cultures?

[10:28] Community is shaped by the understanding of a deity.

[11:06] In the Second Temple Period, there were disagreements among Jews, but no one promoted polytheism.

[12:40] Why is Ephesians important today?

[13:18] Christ is ascended on high… and you are seated with Christ

[14:19] A vision of the church in breathtaking ways: salvation by adoption into God’s family.

[16:54] Household codes have been historically misused and need re-worked.

[18:15] Submission in an honor/shame culture.

[19:20] An equal say about the marriage bed.

[21:30] Divorce and Holiness

[23:54] The dividing wall of hostility.

[27:00] It was unheard of to use a slave as someone who you could look up to as an example of Christ.

[29:50] Christ undoes injustices by being King and Servant; the empire is unraveling, the Kingdom is taking over.

[31:50] A greedy person is an idolater… so show no favoritism.

[33:30] BREAK - Teaching Ministry - www.netzer.org

[34:33] Evil cosmic powers that influence people towards disobedience

[36:45] Christ’s full dominion over all things that are created

[40:11] Dive into the Bible!

[Outro Music] Psalm 2 by Poor Bishop Hooper - www.everypsalm.com/give

[recorded: September 8, 2022]

A podcast from Netzer.org with Tim Doering (vision+networking) and Justin Ryan Boyer (producer)

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God, Church, and Everything In Between

A podcast for Pastors, Leaders, and Re-Thinkers of the Jesus Way.

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November 2022 Micro-Teaching from Luke 22:46, Part 2

And He said to them, "Why are you sleeping? Having risen up, pray that you might not enter into temptation."

Tim Doering, Vision and Networking for netzer.org

But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word. - Acts 6:4 -

"After 15 years, I'm like: I think I have to slow this down a bit. I don't just want converts, I want transformed disciples. And that doesn't happen fast."

"It's not about experiencing revival so that I can feel good about myself. I am transformed so that I can be a conduit of change, a vessel to influence and impact the world around me."

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Are you part of a church that is having difficulty seeing past itself and the Sunday morning gathering? Or perhaps you’re involved in a Christian community serving the neighborhood well, but the internal integrity is lacking?

[0:48] Introducing Ernest Daniels and Phil Carnuccio

[3:00] The joy of being a dad and an empty nester

[5:17] Bless Every Person, Home, Road www.blessphilly.org/

[7:35] How are you using your words and your tips?

[10:03] Your gifts can influence wherever you are, not just in the Church

[12:00] Empowering others is not always comfortable nor controllable

[14:44] Lives are at stake, but communication is different

[18:08] Orders given that must be followed vs. bending to the Holy Spirit

[19:15] If you’re the smartest person in the room, change your friends

[20:38] Am I just trying to make converts or transformed disciples?

[22:15] BREAK - Church Visioning and Design - www.netzer.org

[25:00] Using God to escape from God

[26:22] Making sure people have the resources they need to do the things we ask

[31:38] Knowing what I’m good and not good at; covenant not competition

[33:26] Community Evangelism: I know that I can invite my friend into this group of people

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[35:01] Polarization, Loneliness, and Greed leads to desecration

[37:17] How can we whet the appetite for transformation?

[40:55] Silence, Solitude, Confession, Scripture aren’t practiced and so transformation doesn’t occur.

1 Thessalonians 5:16 Rejoice always, 17 pray without ceasing, 18 give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.

[recorded: August 18, 2022]

A podcast from Netzer.org with Tim Doering (vision+networking) and Justin Ryan Boyer (producer)

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God, Church, and Everything In Between

A podcast for Pastors, Leaders, and Re-Thinkers of the Jesus Way.

Please subscribe, leave a starred review, and share with others.

November 2022 Micro-Teaching from Luke 22:46, Part 1

And He said to them, "Why are you sleeping? Having risen up, pray that you might not enter into temptation."

Tim Doering, Vision and Networking for netzer.org

But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word. - Acts 6:4 -

“I see God using us to relieve the suffering of people and if I can’t do that in every job that I have, I don’t want that job.”

“Are you going to plant a church like all other white folks who pretend that God doesn’t have any people in the black church?”

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How would someone with over 50 years of ministry experience encourage and warn the coming generation?

[0:18] Links about today’s guests…

[1:33] Introducing Dr. Goode and Bill Krispin

[3:55] The importance of Christians engaging all sectors of society

[6:54] Making a Mayor’s office into a prayer closet

[9:53] Are you going to plant a church like all other white folks who pretend that God doesn’t have any people in the black church?

[15:26] Evolving into politics with redemptive principles

[20:55] Own your geography: diversity means ministering outside of the church walls

[23:13] Changing from a commuter church to a community church

[26:38] What can we do together that we’ll never do alone?

BREAK - Spiritual Discernment - www.netzer.org

[29:33] For impact to happen, the church must be a lighthouse, not a clubhouse

[32:20] Who is in the neighborhood and how can I engage in a way that is life giving with them?

[33:56] Young people need a sense of purpose with God to meet real needs

[36:00] God is using us to relieve the suffering of people

[37:56] The transformative power of the Gospel touches everything, not just the life of the church.

[recorded: August 3, 2022]

A podcast from Netzer.org with Tim Doering (vision+networking) and Justin Ryan Boyer (producer)

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God, Church, and Everything In Between

A podcast for Pastors, Leaders, and Re-Thinkers of the Jesus Way.

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October 2022 Micro-Teaching from Exodus 20:20

Moses said to the people, “Do not be afraid. God has come to test you, so that the fear of God will be with you to keep you from sinning.”

Tim Doering, Vision and Networking for netzer.org

But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word. - Acts 6:4 -