The Quiet Reformation

New Episodes coming in July!

Clip From: The Good News for Narcissists & Codependents w/ Dr. Bob Hyatt

Music Contributions

A podcast from Netzer.org with Tim Doering (vision+networking) and Justin Ryan Boyer (producer) | [email protected]

New Episodes coming in July!

Clip From: Pride, Performance, and Pastoring w/ Luis Miro

Music Contributions

A podcast from Netzer.org with Tim Doering (vision+networking) and Justin Ryan Boyer (producer) | [email protected]

New Episodes coming in July!

Clip From: Brand Ambassadors of Just Unity w/ Keri Ladouceur

Music Contributions

A podcast from Netzer.org with Tim Doering (vision+networking) and Justin Ryan Boyer (producer) | [email protected]

New Episodes coming in July!

Clip From: Reclaiming Relationship in a Technological World w/ Andy Crouch

Music Contributions

A podcast from Netzer.org with Tim Doering (vision+networking) and Justin Ryan Boyer (producer) | [email protected]

The Lord’s Table, Part 2

"The enacting of trying to become like Christ, that’s where love happens in the Triune God in this world. We’re just broken and so we can do it so partially, we misread so much of what’s going on, we don’t see with the eyes of Jesus so much of the time, and we don’t speak with the voice of Jesus. And God’s like… 'I know! So come to this table and just be reminded that actually my life is the life I give you.'"

[2:00] Humans are not the agents of grace, God is, and that’s what the table is about.

[3:40] Examination of yourself should not be individualized, but held in relationship with others.

[5:50] We are still growing into the conformity of what it looks like to be truly human. We still have to let go of the things that Jesus just wants to kill. These things are killing you and killing the community, because you’re identity is being formed around stuff that is so transient, so meaningless. 

[8:28] What table are you eating at? If we want to eat and drink the life of the world, which is actually death, it’ll kill you. It will destroy our souls, it will destroy our relationships, it will destroy our lives, to eat and drink of a world that’s broken in Jesus name. 

[11:15] At the table we are taking the stuff of creation and eating a meal that’s also happening in heaven. The Spirit join together Jesus  hosting the meal and the remembrance of a cruciform life.

[14:28] God has already told us that none of us can earn being at this table. God is the righteous one. 

[16:30] Jesus the Bread of Life

[17:25] Psalm 110 - If you don’t have the ascended Jesus in your sightline all the time, you don’t know who you are and you don’t know what God is doing. We can’t get stuck looking backwards at Jesus death and resurrection as some event back then. We must look at the One who is wearing the marks of His wounds from that death into resurrected glory that has literally brought humanity into the life of God. 

[24:00] The Table isn’t about feeling sorry for Jesus and sorry for ourselves. A subtle contract with God can be that as long as we give God brokenness, He’ll give us heaven.

[30:45] You, the Church, are the proclamation of God in the world as you participate in the life of Christ.

[35:15] The very first thing that Jesus wants to give you is the love of the Triune God. The table is a homecoming.

[37:50] How Great Thou Art (Aaron Strumpel)

Then sings my soul, My Saviour God, to Thee, How great Thou art!

[recorded: March 30, 2023]
A podcast from Netzer.org with Tim Doering (vision+networking) and Justin Ryan Boyer (producer) [email protected]

The Lord’s Table, Part 1

“It’s taken decades for me to be able to say joyfully the things I just said to you, because they didn’t make sense to me. I would dread communion. Honestly, you talk to your average church goer, they do too. Unless there is some kind of a fellowship where somehow there’s been a renewal of what this meal is…”

[2:50] Introducing Dr. Cherith Fee Nordling - a teacher, writer, speaker, and mentor in theology, Biblical studies, and Christian formation. Having taught theology in colleges and seminaries for the past twenty years, she is currently a Sessional Lecturer at Regent College and teaches theology in its Masters program in Leadership, Theology, and Society. She is also a joyful member of the Open Table Conference. Married to Robert, an orchestra conductor, they are presently living in Grand Rapids, MI and sharing life together with four generations of Nordlings!

[3:55] Remembering a Father and Scholar, Gordon Fee 

[6:11] The Table always hold the breadth and depth of mystery

[8:40] Jesus is nor a supra-human; he’s one of us, yet holy and faithful in every way.

[10:13] You can’t be who you were made to be, apart from Jesus. You cannot come into your true humanity, which will be forever, apart from participating in the death and resurrection of Christ. 

[12:35] We don’t deserve the meal. There is no transacting. You don’t need to do more stuff before you come to the table.

[13:30] How Great Thou Art (Aaron Strumpel)

But when I think that God, his Son not sparing

Sent Him to die, I scarce can take it in

That on the cross my burden gladly bearing

He bled and died to take away my sin

[17:23] Is the ancient practice of the Lord’s Table out of touch with the modern world?

[21:12] The Lord’s Table is not about something you have to do. It’s about the overflowing, cross-shaped, self-giving love of God. When we make it duty bound, we’re likely just trying to relieve some stress in our lives.

[23:20] The demonic tells lies as the truth. If you are part of the story of Christ, participating in Him, the old constructs of the world can’t be included; you can’t enact a lie.

[27:30] Letters were read out loud in community. You can’t privatize this message about the Table. You are united with Christ… so what the heck is going on? There is no Second Baptist in Corinth… why are you divided?

[recorded: March 30, 2023]

A podcast from Netzer.org with Tim Doering (vision+networking) and Justin Ryan Boyer (producer) [email protected]

Part 2 - “The Christian adjacent groups have an entirely different Jesus, who still sounds great and nice and everything, but He’s not the same one specifically and painstakingly named in the creeds. I’m talking about the Jesus specifically and painstakingly named in the creeds and described in the Bible.”

The Matt Whitman Smorgasbord

[1:05] Not needing to win and defeat all the other expressions of Christianity, even if rejecting many of the ways the faith is approached.

[4:00] Good, but weird, Christian high school experience

[5:40] Trinity International University

[7:35] 90s performative faith: if this is all there is to God, this might be a fraud.

[10:00] Family Death led into Pastoral Ministry

[13:20] Thirty years of faith breaking in a moving van

[15:25] Being patient with other dealing with big questions and non-belief

[18:35] God connects to us through worship drivel and deep wells.

[19:52] Four Simple Suggestions to Make Church Unity Happen

[23:10] I’m hoping that people who are not like me can see the congruity, the internal cohesiveness, of my tradition of historically orthodox creedal faith. Likewise, I’m hoping that I can better see and give the benefit of the doubt to other expressions of historically orthodox creedal faith. I think that’s the way we move forward, by leaning into the distinctives and understanding them better. That’s where empathy will happen.

The Church Unity Project Playlist

[26:26] Eyes up, brother. Eyes up, sister. Operate from a foundation of strength and courage in Christ.

Mighty Refuge (Guard my Heart) by Aaron Strumpel

[recorded: February 20, 2023]

A podcast from Netzer.org with Tim Doering (vision+networking) and Justin Ryan Boyer (producer) [email protected]

Part 1 - “I find myself spacing off or getting bored… and I want to read the Bible because it’s interesting and my brain keeps going there. It’s so different from the transactional interest I used to have. It’s just this unending delight.”

[1:10] Introducing Matt Whitman

[3:50] The Golden Age of family life involves Ice Cream: https://armadillosicecreamshoppe.com/

[4:45] The goal of the Bible is to figure out what other people should be doing. Really?

[10:40] Being like a child discovering the Bible for the first time.

[12:15] Adult friendships are hard to come by. Why?

[16:50] Men are made to take risks; society prizes safety. A tame and predictable world isn’t always a thriving environment.

[20:32] How does working with the internet workspace affect your soul?

[22:20] Dealing with and exploiting the YouTube Algorithm: the unseen force that moves invisibly to bless and punish people on the internet.

[27:30] Andor Deep-Dive Conversation with Bob from I Like to Make Stuff

[28:07] Talking about the Bible in a normal way.

Next Episode

Mighty Refuge (Guard my Heart) by Aaron Strumpel

[recorded: February 20, 2023]

A podcast from Netzer.org with Tim Doering (vision+networking) and Justin Ryan Boyer (producer) [email protected]

“God is interested in being in an exclusive relationship with his people. When we mess around with money or sex or power or our jobs or careers… anything that we look to to give us security, none of those things are going to work. It’s God and God alone.”

[1:30] Introducing Dr. David T. Lamb

[4:00] How has the culture of emotions changed in students throughout the years?

[7:04] Embrace and control your emotions.

[8:32] God doesn't really have emotions, right?

[10:57] This idea that God is an “unmoved mover”...there’s a logic to it, it just doesn't fit the Word of God.

[11:54] There is a tendency when we see something in the word of God that doesn’t fit our theology, we’re more likely to say it’s figurative. Whereas, when things in the Bible fit our theology, we say this is a text that’s really serious and more literal and this is one we teach a lot. 

[12:18] I certainly want to talk about the sovereignty of God and the power of God. But in a misguided attempt to represent the God of Scripture, I’m not honoring God, I’m distorting his character. 

[13:00] Which emotions of God are we most in need to learn about?

[16:25] The trajectory of Scripture is: tears will be turned to laughter, and sorrow will be turned to joy.  

[17:04] One of the places in culture that can be a challenge around joy is that it can be translated for people as naivete.

[18:08] Sorrow can be so sincere and also be used manipulatively in a disingenuous way.

[23:40] Spark My Heart by Aaron Strumpel

Thru dangers toils and snares I run, to you my God oh brilliant Son

When all seems lost prone to dismay, you hold me fast you still my sway

Tho enemies surround me now, they can not stop, they know not how

The light, the warmth, of your embrace, you spark my heart you fuel my race

[25:00] He that is (not) jealous is not in love?

[27:00] "For you shall worship no other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.” (Exodus 34:14)

[27:45] “Jealousy in romance is like salt in food. A little can enhance the savor, but too much can spoil the pleasure and, under certain circumstances, can be life-threatening.” ― Maya Angelou

[29:20] You are jealous about things that are rightfully yours. You are envious about things that are not rightfully yours.

[29:43] Make up your mind, Paul!

[30:48] Read the book and find out…

[32:15] Joy in the wrong place is idolatry.

[33:10] Heaven has a party when a lost person is found, when a sinner repents. God delight in His Creation and in His Salvation.

[36:20] closing words: Let's be the people of God who appropriately express and enter into our emotions that God created.

Spark My Heart by Aaron Strumpel

You are my first love, none like you, no one

You have my whole heart, you are my only one

[recorded: March 9, 2023]

A podcast from Netzer.org with Tim Doering (vision+networking) and Justin Ryan Boyer (producer) [email protected]

PART 2 - Relational Theology and Karl Barth w/ D. Jay Martin

https://drmartyfolsom.com/

“...that’s not Jesus and that’s not His Father and that’s not the Spirit. Guess what? Your whole vision of Christianity is based on your ability to do something for God and you’ve probably left God out of it and it’s become all about you.”

[1:35] OnScript Podcast - What is it about Barth’s Church Dogmatics that is considered so important?

[2:03] The three-fold nature of God’s Word

[7:20] If you are missing any of the three “Words”, it creates dysfunction, whether heresy, idolatry, or image-management.

[8:22] “If we choose between study of Jesus (theology), the Scriptures (Biblical studies), and preaching (practical theology), we will lose the full dynamic of God’s address to humanity. We will develop either as gnostics (elevated ideas), legalists (tied to the text), or performers (sounding good, but saying little). We need the harmony of all three to hear and respond to the loving freedom of God.”

[9:40] There are so many forms of Christianity that fight with one another because they recognized problems in others but can’t see the log in their own eye. Barth doesn’t want others to be Barth-ians, he just wants people to think well out of the person of Christ and keep coming back to challenge one another on that basis, not merely defending our own position.

[12:50] How can the church be the church that Jesus envisioned? By moving from a monologue of a preacher or a catalog of rules to a divine dialogue with God and a polylogue with others.

[16:24] Breath Prayer

[19:05] How many persons are in the room? Did you include the Father, Son, and Spirit in your answer or is God somewhere else? To not acknowledge God’s presence is to live in unreality.

[20:05] Mastering the Art of Presence-Based Leadership by Keith Yoder

[22:11] If you could sit with Good Morning America for the nation to hear, what would you say?

[24:22] If you could sit down with Karl Barth, what would you want to talk about? What does it look like to really be children of God… the freedom, the delight, the joy, the curiosity of completely being part of God’s household through redemption?

[28:40] Courage is seeing the fear and doing the loving thing anyway.

[32:00] Faith is science - getting in touch with reality and living like it’s true. The church is a laboratory experience for humans to be fully human.

Just As I Am / Aaron Strumpel

[recorded: January 11, 2023]