The Quiet Reformation

“I see God using us to relieve the suffering of people and if I can’t do that in every job that I have, I don’t want that job.”

“Are you going to plant a church like all other white folks who pretend that God doesn’t have any people in the black church?”

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How would someone with over 50 years of ministry experience encourage and warn the coming generation?

[0:18] Links about today’s guests…

[1:33] Introducing Dr. Goode and Bill Krispin

[3:55] The importance of Christians engaging all sectors of society

[6:54] Making a Mayor’s office into a prayer closet

[9:53] Are you going to plant a church like all other white folks who pretend that God doesn’t have any people in the black church?

[15:26] Evolving into politics with redemptive principles

[20:55] Own your geography: diversity means ministering outside of the church walls

[23:13] Changing from a commuter church to a community church

[26:38] What can we do together that we’ll never do alone?

BREAK - Spiritual Discernment - www.netzer.org

[29:33] For impact to happen, the church must be a lighthouse, not a clubhouse

[32:20] Who is in the neighborhood and how can I engage in a way that is life giving with them?

[33:56] Young people need a sense of purpose with God to meet real needs

[36:00] God is using us to relieve the suffering of people

[37:56] The transformative power of the Gospel touches everything, not just the life of the church.

[recorded: August 3, 2022]

A podcast from Netzer.org with Tim Doering (vision+networking) and Justin Ryan Boyer (producer)

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God, Church, and Everything In Between

A podcast for Pastors, Leaders, and Re-Thinkers of the Jesus Way.

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October 2022 Micro-Teaching from Exodus 20:20

Moses said to the people, “Do not be afraid. God has come to test you, so that the fear of God will be with you to keep you from sinning.”

Tim Doering, Vision and Networking for netzer.org

But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word. - Acts 6:4 -

“We are tempted in our day like never before to talk about what we are against. The atonement reminds us again that the line between good and evil goes down the middle of every one of us.”

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[0:35] The Atonement - what it is, what it means, why it matters.

[1:23] Reintroducing Josh Bytwerk.

[2:05] Ministry Mishap - I’m not at the church, and the clock still is…

[4:10] BREAK - Conflict Resolution - www.netzer.org

[5:33] Atonement is important because…

[8:25] The central point is the big point. The middle of the Torah is Leviticus 16, the Day of Atonement.

[9:54] Major examples of atonement models.

[12:56] A prejudice towards models working together rather than in conflict with one another.

[15:14] Theories come from the cultural context and what we feel we need from God ends up being discovered in the scriptures.

[16:48] We need to be less afraid and more open. Fear is the root of our sinfulness because we lack trust in God.

[18:00] We know more than Martin Luther did because we’re standing on 500 years of history.

[19:24] We want not just knowledge of atonement, but the benefits, the effect, the possibilities through it.

[23:10] The way we speak in disagreement can show us our reception of the atonement; it is to be lived in, not just talked about.

[26:05] Personally experiencing the binding and loosing of the atonement?

[28:01] Christ’s forgiveness helps us to forgive when we don’t know how to forgive.

[31:27] Personally reading the scripture in the pathos of poetry before the logos of engineering.

[33:50] A predisposition to non-violence is a misnomer. Our humility about violence has to do with being wrong with violence as humans, but God is capable of far more.

[35:00] It takes fearlessness to be patient.

[Outro Music] Psalm 85 by Poor Bishop Hooper - www.everypsalm.com/give

[recorded: July 14, 2022]

A podcast from Netzer.org with Tim Doering (vision+networking) and Justin Ryan Boyer (producer)

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God, Church, and Everything In Between

A podcast for Pastors, Leaders, and Re-Thinkers of the Jesus Way.

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September 2022 Micro-Teaching from Ephesians 2:8-9

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast.

Tim Doering, Vision and Networking for netzer.org

But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word. - Acts 6:4 -

Listen to Part 1 first. - “One of the lessons we have to learn as shepherds and pastors is to send people to the help that is going to be most helpful and not to think that I’m the answer. ”

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[0:35] What’s important to consider in shepherding through deconstruction?

[1:05] Don’t walk it alone; get as many people involved as is helpful; clarify your role.

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[4:15] The voices of pastor, prophet, and priest. Questioning in community not isolation.

[7:05] Getting on the same page with purpose.

[9:55] Is the person honestly seeking? Are they asking the question they are actually asking?

[11:23] BREAK - www.netzer.org

[12:55] Entry points of modern deconstruction: authority of scripture, atonement, gender/sexuality.

[16:14] Everyone is questioning and doubting authority in general.

[18:02] When they saw Jesus, they worshiped him; but some doubted.

[20:01] Making the Scriptures say whatever we want.

[22:55] Running with hope: This is Not the End - https://youtu.be/t5Cjt83wWDk

[23:53] The new apologetic is the best story wins: you have the greatest story ever told that sees pain and evil for what it is, that sees human glory and limitedness, that sees long term flourishing and redemption that can make sense of all other stories.

[28:55] Prayer - And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity.

[Outro Music] Psalm 69 by Poor Bishop Hooper - www.everypsalm.com/give

[recorded: June 30, 2022]

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“The biggest change overall, has been a shift away from certainty on secondary issues and the grace, humility, and freedom to just be really curious about everything. God can handle that.”

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[0:00] The Start of Season 3.

[1:50] Introducing D. Jay Martin from www.parkerfordchurch.com

[3:35] Ministry Mishaps - Baptizing Squirrels

[6:55] How does deconstruction / deconversion affect leaders?

[9:25] BREAK - Life on Life Mentoring - email [email protected]

[10:27] What have been significant renovations of your own faith?

[11:30] Shifting from certainty to confidence, curiosity, and empathy.

[13:08] A reality beyond the reality I currently know.

[17:05] Tension between internal life and inherited faith community.

[20:23] The longevity of deconstruction and the emotional toll of deconversion

[22:10] Felt grief on the legit hurt of hypocrisy in the Church.

[26:10] From self-righteousness to failure to divorce.

[28:33] The difficulty of Pastors acknowledging pain.

[29:38] Frustration and anger at the story of the Church and broken institutions.

Part 2 - What are we learning in pastoring through deconstruction?

[recorded: June 30, 2022]

A podcast from Netzer.org with Tim Doering (vision+networking) and Justin Ryan Boyer (producer)

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Opioid Addiction / Confession / Restoration

[0:00] Summer Bonus Episode

[1:10] Pastoral Fails - The Spirit of God is with you! (and your fly is down)

[2:48] Integrity and Accountability and Brokenness

[3:43] Prioritizing grace before sowing and reaping.

“...grace is for life and not just for sin. This helps us avoid getting stuck in gospels of sin management. Because salvation, you know, is a life; it’s not just dealing with sin. A sinner needs grace, but a saint goes through it like a jet goes through jet fuel taking off from a runway.” - Richard Foster

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[8:08] Introducing Luis Miro

[10:35] Clicking send on a confession of a secret addiction

[12:04] God, please don’t strike me down during preaching

[13:35] The lies stop here

[14:40] We don’t all have an addiction, but we all have pride

[16:33] Being healed is not the same as being whole

[19:42] Courage, fueled by God’s kindness, comes from desiring Christ above all else

[22:40] Legitimate gifts can feed into performance based significance; gifts can continuing even while we’re growing apart from Christ

[26:45] We need to long for Jesus and experience Him outside of the pulpit

[30:35] Prayer and Intercession

[Outro Music] Psalm 126 by Poor Bishop Hooper - www.everypsalm.com/give

[recorded: June 16th, 2022]

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Zoe International - www.gozoe.org

Prevention / Intervention / Restoration

[0:00] Summer Time Antics

[2:17] Pastoral Fails - When your preaching sends someone to the hospital.

[5:00] Different perspectives of the Church engaging culture: Pentecostal Prayer, Anabaptist Community, Reformed Kingship

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[10:30] Introducing Zoe and Brad Ortenzi

[16:14] Expanding the Zoe footprint in Southeastern Pennsylvania

[17:30] Don’t get too comfortable in your retirement

[20:15] Prayer needs to undergird mission; me is not enough

[24:10] Partnering with secular organizations for Kingdom work

[27:00] What can the average person do to combat human trafficking?

[33:20] Psalm 68 Prayer

Contact Brad for Church/Ministry presentations in Southeastern Pennsylvania.

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[Outro Music] Psalm 68 by Poor Bishop Hooper - www.everypsalm.com/give

[recorded: June 15th, 2022]

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God, Church, and Everything In Between

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August 2022 Micro-Teaching from Jeremiah 34

The word came to Jeremiah from the Lord after King Zedekiah had made a covenant with all the people in Jerusalem to proclaim freedom for the slaves... the people agreed, and set them free. But afterward they changed their minds and took back the slaves they had freed and enslaved them again.

Tim Doering, Vision and Networking for netzer.org

But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word. - Acts 6:4 -

“Jeremiah swings back and forth like a betrayed human. Hosea, five times, swings back and forth literally like a betrayed human and says this is the heart of a betrayed God. If we can’t access that God, who is betrayed, with His heart tones, I think it fails to give the church license to express itself and light tones. The heart of God comes out all over the old testament, and so commonly in poetry, and we’ve industrialized our way into the place where we don’t need that poetry in our heads. And the reality is we are missing it. I’m just grief stricken for a church that doesn’t know how it God feels about it because it can’t read the tones that he’s written to them in.

[2:03] Introducing Josh Bytwerk

[4:24] Love In Action - https://loveinactiontricities.org/

[6:02] Don’t put mission in front of purpose

[7:43] If you’re not looking outward, you are limiting your growth; don’t just be a club member.

[11:50] Worship, Empathy, (Re)Definition

[17:10] Spiritual community breaking strongholds in our lives

[19:37] Pain as catalyst for intercession

[23:09] Christian magic

[25:53] Why we need the heart tones of the Old Testament

[35:10] Jude 1:9 - But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”

[38:05] If you are going to honor God, you are going to disagree differently.

[39:48] We’ve adopted the political language of our day instead of letting the reverence of God dictate our speech.

[42:17] The Church disrupted - getting what you want outside of God

[45:15] Remaining in the love of God, waiting for the mercy

[47:06] Move 150 Yards to the North (Story)

[Outro Music] Psalm 72 by Poor Bishop Hooper - www.everypsalm.com/give

[recorded: March 11, 2022]

A podcast from Netzer.org with Tim Doering (vision+networking) and Justin Ryan Boyer (producer)

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