Imagine, if you will, a stadium. (It's built by the patriarchy.) There are people who play the game within its walls. There are people trying to burn it down. And then there are others who have excused themselves from the arena in order to build their own. Katie Anthony and Ronit Feinglass Plank are two of those refuseniks, who are instead making their own media game. They cohost the podcast Mouthy Messy Mandatory, as well as the new show Smart Mouth with The Young Turks.