The Relationships We Live In

In this episode Amie Post shares her thinking on Resilience as a multigenerational process rather than an individual characteristic.

Amie Post is the Interim Director of the Bowen Center

https://www.thebowencenter.org/faculty-bios/amie-post

In this episode we explore the concept of differentiation of self.

In this episode Jenny Brown & Meredith Elkins, PhD discuss parenting, each approaching the discussion from their own unique angle, both describing the challenges parents face and drawing a picture of hope as parents can get less anxiously focused on their child and more focused on how they can manage the challenge within themselves.

Jenny Brown's Information:

• Website: https://www.jennybrown.info/
• Book: The Parenting Paradox USA
• Audiobook: The Parenting Paradox Audiobook
• The Parent Hope Project: https://parenthopeproject.com.au/
• The Parent Hope Podcast: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2073632/episodes?search=true
• Amazon Author Page(all books): https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B00DVVQ5DG?ccs_id=eeb74286-281b-4b5c-8df5-8e696f3ef2e4
• upcoming US events
  • Buffalo NY: The Center for Family Systems Theory. Oct 22nd
  • https://www.eventcreate.com/e/family-systems-annual-conference
  • The Bowen Center for the Study of The Family
  • 63rd Annual Symposium on Family Theory and Family Psychotherapy Nov 5-7
  • https://www.thebowencenter.org/2026-63rd-annual-symposium

Meredith Elkin's Information:

• Website: www.meredithelkinsphd.com
• Order Parenting Anxiety: www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/761140/parenting-anxiety-by-meredith-elkins-phd/
• Instagram: www.instagram.com/drmeredithelkins/
• LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/r-meredith-elkins-ph-d-a3218493/
• Facebook: www.facebook.com/drmeredithelkins

In this episode I sit down with Joe Dillon, who after a career mediating in organizations transition to mediating divorces. Taking his knowledge and experience of working with couples through the challenges of separation, he has back-engineered a method for relating to each other in the hopes of minimizing the escalation and growth of negative relationship patterns. He has seen the problems people bring, and offers his perspective on potential solutions.

Joe Dillon

Mediator | Author | Speaker

https://thejoedillon.com/

https://www.powerupmethod.com/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/thejoedillon/

https://www.instagram.com/thejoedillon/

https://www.facebook.com/thejoedillon

Mobile: +1 (312) 909-7789

In this episode I chat with Allison Brenner, an organizational psychologist who has gathered a career's worth of experience to create a tool meant to help people gain insight into how they show-up in their relationship systems.

Allison's website is:

https://yourinnervue.com

Allison's social media:

www.linkedin.com/in/allisonbrenner

https://www.instagram.com/allisonkbrenner

https://www.linkedin.com/company/yourinnervue

https://www.instagram.com/yourinnervue/ https://x.com/yourinnervue

https://www.facebook.com/YourInnervue2025

https://www.youtube.com/@YourInnerVue

https://www.tiktok.com/@yourinnervue?lang=en

In this episode with Zach Zenner we discuss his health and nutrition from his experience as a nutritionist and coach.

Zach is the founder of Zion Performance where he specializes in helping hard-working, devoted people seeking natural and reliable performance-enhancing solutions to make them the best people they can be. Zach focus on the whole person and understands the connection between the body and mind.

You can find Zach using the links below:

Website: zion-performance.com

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/zzenner34/

X: https://x.com/zenner31

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zach-zenner34/

Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@ZachZenner34

In this episode with Tom Schur & Charlie White, we discuss Tom's Mag-Min model, the process of systemic supervision, Bowen Theory, and participation as a path to discussing and working on deep change, or second-order change.

Tom Schur is a Family Systems Therapist and a Social Worker. He still maintain my private practice, that began over 40 years ago, but now on a limited basis. He has taught in the School of Social Work and in the Marriage and Family Therapy Program as a faculty member at Syracuse University for over 30 years, but have recently retired.

Charlie White has been on a “process journey” towards an authentic & grounded practice of “University-Based Student Support & Post-Graduate Program Development – Family Systems Theory-Informed Clinical Supervision, Psychotherapy, & Coaching” is decades in the making. The final stanza of Robert Frost’s poem “The Road Not Taken” (my high school senior yearbook photo quote) eloquently expresses an important aspect of these journeys: “Two roads diverged in a wood, and I – I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference.” Fundamental to these journeys is stepping out beyond what's familiar & comfortable – and regardless if it’s a premeditated choice or a forced choice when faced with few-to-no other options – the management of self in the new unfamiliar & uncomfortable setting is paramount to how much adaptive capacity can be realized & potentially built upon under the stress of that discomfort & unfamiliarity.

Links for Tom Schur: https://www.tschur.com/

Links for Charlie White's work:

Charles M. White, LCSW, LCADC: https://www.linkedin.com/in/charles-m-white-02029312/ LifeFinder SGLT Foundation, Principal: http://sgltelescope.org/ Rutgers University SSW Continuing Education, Founder & Co-Facilitator: Bowen Family Systems Theory Basic, Advanced, & Parent Hope Project (PHP) Clinical Certificate Programs: https://socialwork-ce.rutgers.edu/index.php?cid=3333&m=catalog https://socialwork.rutgers.edu/academics/continuing-education/children-and-families-certificates Co-Editor of Bringing Systems Thinking to Life: Expanding the Horizons for Bowen Family Systems Theory https://drive.google.com/file/d/18hwDnsJ_t5DwzCjvtpRWPiKyNE_kqzxZ/view?usp=drive_link https://www.routledge.com/Bringing-Systems-Thinking-to-Life-Expanding-the-Horizons-for-Bowen-Family/Bregman-White/p/book/9780415800471%23

In this episode, Patrick Stinson and I explore the state of art in psychotherapy, and how to build research rooted theory. Patrick lays out the model he has been building, called SARF (Symptom, Anxiety, Relationship, Functioning).

Patrick is the founder of Alaska Family Systems: an effort by Dr. Patrick Stinson to address limitations in applied psychology as a science. Whether in the clinic, business, or policy, the state of the art is formed with discrepant theories about how people work. This is one attempt to integrate research and practice toward a natural science of the human.

Website: https://alaskafamilysystems.com/

Family Diagram: https://alaskafamilysystems.com/family-diagram/

In this episode Erik Thompson and I explore meditation, transcendence, and the idea of the Universal Self.

Erik is the founder and president of Thompson Leadership Development, an executive coaching firm designed to assist high performing teams in becoming exceptional leaders together.

Trained as a leadership psychologist, Erik Thompson’s focus is on the DNA of successful teams. He uses this knowledge to challenge high-performing leaders to expand their impact.

For 20 years Erik Thompson has brought precision tools from the science of leadership development to his executive clients.. He developed the “Leading by Managing Self” course, which has been embraced by over 40 companies across the United States.

Through thousands of meaningful conversations with senior leaders, Erik was inspired to launch the LeaderSight interview podcast. LeaderSight explores topics ranging from CEO succession to the art of coaching and the profound lessons we learn from personal loss.

Beyond his work in leadership development, Erik Thompson is deeply invested in family health and well-being. He is a co-founder and Executive Director of the Vermont Center for Family Studies, a nonprofit dedicated to empowering family leaders to cultivate stability, maturity, responsibility, and effective communication within their families.

As a 40-year practitioner of Transcendental Meditation, Erik understands the value of presence in leadership. When he’s not immersed in the world of leadership development, you might find him playing pickleball, cheering on his daughter’s high school basketball team, or reading on his porch. The picturesque mountains of Vermont are his home, where he enjoys hiking alongside his wife Sarah, and their daughters, nephews, and nieces.

In this episode Dr. Meredith Elkins and I discuss the concepts and ideas in her latest book "Parenting Anxiety: breaking the cycle of worry and raising resilient kids.

Dr. Meredith Elkins is a clinical psychologist who helps kids, teens, and parents break the cycle of anxiety and build resilience. She co-leads the McLean Anxiety Mastery Program at McLean Hospital and is a faculty member at Harvard Medical School. Some of her most meaningful work comes from supporting families as they navigate big feelings. Her approach blends science-backed strategies with compassion, making it easier for parents to feel confident and for kids to grow braver every day.

You can learn more about Dr. Elkins and her work by visiting https://www.meredithelkinsphd.com.

Her book is available on Amazon, https://a.co/d/08ZyrMtV\