By Australia reMADE
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What if we could unearth for humanity the most enduring source of human knowledge on the planet – Indigenous systems thinking — and fuse it with the best of modern knowledge and technology? What if we could bake in more relational, expansive, nature-based design into how we approach our lives and work, and solve our biggest challenges?
On our last episode of the reMAKERS for 2023, we chat to Jack Manning Bancroft about a values system revolution. Jack’s spent his career tackling inequity through connection, as the founder and CEO of the Australian Indigenous Mentoring Experience, AIME; and co-architect of a new ‘network of networks’ and digital nation, IMAGI-NATION.
He talks to us about not only about IMAGI-NATION and its transformative mission, but why seeing the problems is not enough. “There’s not many people who write the next chapter. I want to live there,” he says. And with new tools and opportunities to get involved ranging from Joy Corporations to Imagination Labs, a feature film and so much more — you may well find yourself eager to join him.
Jack is a graduate of The University of Sydney and Stanford University, a former NSW Young Australian of the Year, and author of books for children and adults. He is the youngest person in Australian history to be awarded an Honorary Doctorate (from the University of South Australia), and is currently an Honorary Fellow at Deakin University with the Indigenous Knowledge Systems Lab.
SHOW NOTES
Things and people we mention
AIME on Australian Story
IMAGI-NATION welcome video
Hoodie Economics: Changing our system to value what matters, by Jack Manning Bancroft
Explainer on Web 3
Reframe It, created by Bobby Fishkin
The Other Others podcast with Tyson Yunkaporta
Things you can do
Read Hoodie Economics (link above)
Check out AIME and IMAGI-NATION (links above), learn more, apply for a visa to get involved.
Share this conversation with your people and networks.
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This episode of the reMAKERS was recorded from the lands of the Gubbi Gubbi people, in Queensland’s Sunshine Coast, and THE LANDS OF THE Dharawal people in greater Wollongong, NSW. We honour the Traditional Owners of these lands and waters, and pay our respect to Elders past and present.
In tumultuous times, how do we ensure that communities can care and be cared for through disaster?
It’s all hands on deck for this episode of the reMAKERS podcast, as Lily welcomes Dr Millie Rooney (Co-Director) and Rachel Hay (Research and Projects Officer) onto the podcast to talk about Australia reMADE’s Care through Disaster project.
Rebecca Solnit has described disasters as a portal to paradise, where the community is freed from the constraints that usually keep us apart. But what if we could build the infrastructure to support strong, resilient communities before disaster, and set ourselves up to survive and thrive in good times as well as bad?
As we face increasing climate-fuelled disasters, applying a care lens to the usually efficiency-focused work of disaster management can ensure that no one is left behind; and that our communities are seen, safe and supported.
This conversation will leave you energised to create the community that you want, today.
SHOW NOTES
Things and people we mention
Australia reMADE’s Care through Disaster report
Women’s Health Goulburn North East, our project partner
Our blog on Making Space for Utopia: the story of Fossil Free UTAS
Rachel’s work on transport decarbonisation with Climate Tasmania
The Australian Government’s Intergenerational Report
Our work on Care, Connection, Contribution and the Public Good
A Paradise Built in Hell by Rebecca Solnit
Our three-part blog series on reMAKING economics
How art can help communities recover from disaster
Things you can do
Share this work and these conversations in your own networks and local community.
Hit ‘follow’ in your podcast app (eg, Apple, Spotify) to subscribe to the show and get our latest episodes. Rate and review!
Find and follow on Instagram, LinkedIn and Facebook (@Australia reMADE).
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This episode of the reMAKERS was recorded from the lands of the Gubbi Gubbi people, in Queensland’s Sunshine Coast, and THE LANDS OF THE MUWININA AND PALAWA PEOPLES IN NIPALUNA/HOBART IN LUTRUWITA/TASMANIA. We honour the Traditional Owners of these lands and waters, and pay our respect to Elders past and present.
The economy is just how we produce and provide for one another. So what if we threw out the old indicators of growth and profit, and instead measured its success by our collective wellbeing?
On this episode of the reMAKERS podcast, we talk to Amanda Janoo (Economics and Policy Lead) and Lisa Hough-Stewart (Implementation Lead) from the global Wellbeing Economy Alliance — about the countries and businesses that are doing just that.
We learn that the term ‘economy’, and the indicators of GDP, stock market growth and employment, didn’t enter the public discourse until the 1930s, as people tried to grapple with the unemployment and poverty experienced during the Great Depression.
Now, nearly 100 years later, we’re still using those same indicators to understand and guide our economy. But the issues that we’re facing today are different: climate change, species extinction, mental health and more. It’s time for a new way of measuring economic success.
This is an uplifting conversation, where Amanda and Lisa guide us through what a Wellbeing Economy could look like, and how we can build it together.
SHOW NOTES
Things and people we mention
Dr Katherine Trebeck, founder of WEAll, on the reMAKERS podcast
The SDG Lab at UN Geneva’s event recording of ‘Rethinking our Economic Systems for Long term Sustainable Development’
WEAll Scotland
Sophie Howe, former Wales Future Generations Commissioner, on the reMAKERS podcast
The Wellbeing Economy Governments (WEGo)
Read about how the Scottish Government is focussing on a Wellbeing Economy
Nicola Sturgeon’s Ted Talk on why governments should prioritse wellbeing
WEAll’s research on the Wellbeing Reflex
The Beyond Growth Conference in the EU’s Parliament last May
Recommendations and good reads
The Economics of Arrival by Katherine Trebeck and Jeremy Williams
Post Growth – Life After Capitalism by Professor Tim Jackson
Braiding Sweetgrass by Robin Wall Kimmerera
The Divide by Jason Hickel
WEAll’s Transforming Business Guide, featuring Locavore and Auchrannie Resort
Australia reMADE’s work on the public good, care, connection and contribution
Things you can do
Check out WEAll’s website.
Join WEAll’s Australian hub.
Hit ‘follow’ in your podcast app (eg, Apple, Spotify) to subscribe to the show and get our latest episodes.
Share this episode with your people.
Find and follow on Instagram, LinkedIn and Facebook (@Australia reMADE).
Email us at [email protected] to say hello, give us feedback, share ideas!
This episode of the reMAKERS was recorded from the lands of the Gubbi Gubbi people, in Queensland’s Sunshine Coast. We honour the Traditional Owners of these lands and waters, and pay our respect to Elders past and present.
What do a grandmother’s advice on ants, a time machine and an iceberg have in common?
According to Dr Vishnu Prahalad, they’re all part of what it means for us to live more sustainably, by learning to think in terms of systems.
On this episode of the reMAKERS, we talk to Dr Prahalad: a conservationist, ecologist, systems thinker, and Senior Lecturer in the School of Geography, Planning and Spatial Sciences at the University of Tasmania.
Dr Prahalad connects different fields – from environmental management and geography to history, politics and economics – that need to come together for us to live harmoniously on our planet with the environment and the species who rely on it.
This episode is sure to get you thinking about life, the Universe and everything, from the smallest ant to the biggest systems that surround us all.
SHOW NOTES
Things and people we mention
The Bachelor of Natural Environment and Conservation at the University of Tasmania
Vishnu’s talk on systems thinking and sustainability for the Modern Money Lab
Vishnu’s recent co-authored paper on making sustainability laws work, while treating our addiction to economic growth
From What Is to What If by Rob Hopkins
The Transition Network
Economist Stephanie Kelton
NewDemocracy.com.au
Wales’ former Future Generations Commissioner, Sophie Howe on the reMAKERS
The history of Tasmania Together
The Iceberg Model and our intro to systems change thinking
The Australia Institute’s Richard Denniss on the reMAKERS
The Bioregional Economy by Molly Scott Cato
Thinking in Systems by Donella Meadows
Bullshit Jobs by David Graeber
Recommendations and things you can do
Check out Vishnu’s work at the University of Tasmania (UTas).
Check out the Bachelor of Natural Environments and Conservation at UTas.
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This episode of the reMAKERS was recorded from the lands of the Gubbi Gubbi people, in Queensland’s Sunshine Coast and the lands of the muwinina and palawa peoples in nipaluna/Hobart in lutruwita/Tasmania. We honour the Traditional Owners of these lands and waters, and pay our respect to Elders past and present.
How do we reMAKE our systems to treat people with respect, kindness and empathy?
On this episode of the reMAKER’s podcast, we talk to Mark Zirnsak, Senior Social Justice Advocate at the Uniting Church, who works on issues from climate change and tax to modern slavery, as director of its Justice and International Mission.
Mark is an endlessly curious person and deep thinker, whose drive for justice and love takes him into the heart of the issues facing humanity. Sometimes, this causes him to challenge his peers, as on climate change.
“At the end of the day, if all we do is electrify everything, and we leave the underlying neoliberal economic system unchallenged and in place, then I think we're just waiting for the next crisis to emerge,” he told us.
But Mark is also someone who believes in the goodness of individuals, in how far we’ve come and in our capacity to to change systems for the better: drawing on lessons from history, from the advent of modern democracy to innovations happening right now in Seattle. This is a thoughtful, gentle and hopeful conversation with someone who’s found his calling.
SHOW NOTES
Things and people we mention
Amnesty International
Pax Christi
The Moon is Down by John Steinbeck
Tax Justice Network
Stage Three Tax Cuts
Cannibal Capitalism by Nancy Fraser
Doughnut Economics by Kate Raworth
The War for Kindness by Jamil Zaki
Common Cause
The Voice Referendum
Our conversation with Sally Hill on purpose-driven business
Welcoming Disability
Adam Grant
Seattle’s Democracy Vouchers
Recommendations and things you can do
Visit justact.org.au to learn more and support the work led by Mark and his team.
Love this podcast? We’re an independent charity and would love your tax-deductible donation.
Hit ‘follow’ in your podcast app (eg, Apple, Spotify) to subscribe to the show and get our latest episodes.
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Email us at [email protected] to say hello, give us feedback, share ideas!
This episode of the reMAKERS was recorded from the lands of the Gubbi Gubbi people, in Queensland’s Sunshine Coast and the Wurundjeri Woi-wurrung peoples in Narrm (Melbourne). We honour the Traditional Owners of these lands and waters, and pay our respect to Elders past and present.
How can business better serve society and the planet we share? What’s holding us back from doing business better, and where is the momentum for change? How can we tell a true purpose-driven business from one that’s just doing a little good (or a nice PR campaign) on the side?
Today we’re chatting with Sally Hill, General Manager of the impact investing firm Tripple, and founder of the Purpose conference — a two-day event that brings together professionals who care about making business more ethical, responsible and sustainable.
Like it or not, business is one of the core organising principles for society, Sally says. So she’s passionate about how we can leverage business to create true value and move us forward; to behave ethically and responsibly, and to just be useful in the world.
Whatever sector you work in, however you may feel about the mixed impacts of the business world and its power, it’s so great to listen and learn from someone who really gets it and is determined to drive change from within.
SHOW NOTES
Things and people we mention
GetUp campaign targeting banks on the Gunns Pulp Mill
Interface, sustainable carpet and flooring company
The surprising number of co-ops in Australia
Triple Bottom Line (general guide)
Economist Mariana Mazzucato: Mission Economy and The Entrepreneurial State (great books!)
Things that exist because of government investment, including Tesla
The Inflation Reduction Act (what became of the ‘Green New Deal’) in America
De-growth - what it is and how it would work in our economy, introductory article by Jason Hickel et al
Economist Richard Denniss on the reMAKERS podcast talking about growth/de-growth
Overton window
Regenerative business, regenerative finance
Chris Andrew and Paul Girrawah House
Tyson Yunkaporta
Jack Manning Bancroft
Recommendations and things you can do
Check out the Purpose conference, happening in Sydney, 8-9 Nov, 2023. Use the code “REMADE” for 20% off your ticket price.
Share this conversation with your friends, colleagues, boss, or your organisation’s sustainability team.
Ask your MP what s/he’s doing to promote pro-social businesses where you live, or contact one of the Ministers in Treasury (Australia).
We need more dialogue between people in business, government and civil society — see what you can do?
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THIS EPISODE OF THE REMAKERS WAS RECORDED FROM THE LANDS OF THE GUBBI GUBBI PEOPLE, IN QUEENSLAND’S SUNSHINE COAST, AND ON THE GADIGAL LANDS OF THE EORA NATION IN SYDNEY. WE HONOUR THE TRADITIONAL OWNERS OF THESE LANDS AND WATERS, AND PAY OUR RESPECT TO ELDERS PAST AND PRESENT.
Young people today have the deck stacked against them, and they know it.
They’ve grown up in a world defined by the global financial crisis, the climate crisis, a housing and cost-of-living crisis, and a global pandemic. Their HECs debts are growing, their confidence in the future is shaky, and it’s feeling nigh impossible for all but the most fortunate to secure the basics of a good life.
Today we’re hearing from two millennial leaders determined to turn things around.
Meet Jane Body and Thomas Walker. Jane is General Manager and Tom is Chief Economist for Think Forward, an organisation that promotes intergenerational fairness and an economy that works for all generations. They say the main economic challenges young people are up against aren’t inevitable (or the result of too much smashed avocado); but the result of deliberate policy choices, and timidity to undo previous bad decisions.
So how do we rewrite the rules and share the wealth in a way that better supports wellbeing at all stages of life? What would it look like to think long-term and make policies designed to improve the next 20 years… instead of just win the next election? And how can we bring people together, instead of falsely pitting different generations against each other?
This is a relatable, thoughtful and thought-provoking conversation; and if you’re a Millennial or member of Gen Z especially, we hope you feel really seen and understood. Because while no young person should have to worry about things like tax policy, economics and superannuation — we’re so grateful people like Jane and Tom are out there, championing the kind of change that benefits us all.
This episode of the reMAKERS was recorded on the lands of the Gubbi Gubbi people, in Queensland’s Sunshine Coast. We honour the Traditional Owners of these lands and waters, and pay our respect to Elders past and present.
SHOW NOTES
Things we mention
The generational gap in wealth in Australia
A wellbeing economy
The Game of Life
The flaws in Australia’s tax system
HECS debt indexation
Think Forward’s campaign for a Parliamentary Inquiry into intergenerational fairness
The UK Inquiry into international fairness
Senator David Pocock’s Bill on international equity bill
Our podcast with Sophie Howe on working for the future generations in Wales
Jane doesn’t expect to pay off her HECS debt until she’s 65
The Australian Government’s Measuring What Matters Statement
Recommendations and things you can do
Visit Think Forward’s website to read more about their work.
Sign Think Forward’s petition for a Parliamentary Inquiry on intergenerational fairness.
Take Think Forward’s survey on the tax system, its purpose and Australia’s economic future.
Donate to support these conversations and the work of Australia reMADE.
Subscribe to the reMAKERS podcast (hit ‘follow’ in your podcast app). Share on social, write a review, tell a friend.
Join the conversation. Find us on social media (@Australia reMADE) or email us at [email protected].
“We don’t need a new economics to tackle most of these problems, we just need less bullsh-t.” - Richard Denniss
Chief economist and Executive Director of The Australia Institute, Richard Denniss, joins us for a frank and refreshing look behind the curtain of economics, politics and power. He says the real power of economics is to conceal power itself, and make the indefensible sound inevitable and justifiable.
We’ve made people feel silly for not understanding economics, he argues, rather than angry about the decisions that are being made.
“In Norway, they tax their fossil fuel industry and give young people free education. In Australia, we subsidise our fossil fuel industry, and charge people a lot of money to go to uni. That’s why politics matters. That’s why democracy matters. And neoliberalism’s greatest legacy is to convince people that we don’t have those choices,” he says.
That’s why Richard has devoted his career to debunking ‘Econobabble’, injecting solutions and honesty into the public debate, and helping those on the ground fighting the good fight. He is co-author, with Clive Hamilton, of the best-selling book, “Affluenza: When Too Much is Never Enough” and Quarterly Essays like “Dead Right: How Neoliberalism ate itself and what comes next,” among many other publications.
This is a remarkably clarifying and entertaining discussion about economics, with equal parts laughter and righteous rage.
This episode of the reMAKERS was recorded on the lands of the Gubbi Gubbi people, in Queensland’s Sunshine Coast. We honour the Traditional Owners of these lands and waters, and pay our respect to Elders past and present.
SHOW NOTES
Things we mention
Fossil fuel subsidies
Middle Arm project in Darwin — federal funding for gas industry expansion
Stage 3 tax cuts
National Anti-Corruption Commission
The Royal Commission into the Robodebt Scheme
Labor backing down on multinational corporate tax transparency
Australia Institute polling on Stage 3 tax cuts
Australia Institute research on what’s driving inflation
Webinar with Stephanie Kelton and Richard Denniss (video recording)
Community progress association in Warkworth taking on Rio Tinto
Recommendations and things you can do
Visit the Australia Institute to find and follow their work and discussions.
Check out their podcast (search ‘Follow the Money’ wherever you listen to podcasts).
Talk to your MP, write a letter to the editor, join a group, get active.
Donate to support these conversations and the work of Australia reMADE.
Subscribe to the reMAKERS podcast (hit ‘follow’ in your podcast app). Share on social, write a review, tell a friend.
Join the conversation. Find us on social media (@Australia reMADE) or email us at [email protected].
What if Australia had a national conversation about the country we want to have, and the kind of ancestors we want to be — and then enshrined these goals into legislation? What if we asked school children to write postcards to their future selves and construct their dream cities using lego and minecraft, and decision-makers really listened? What if different sectors — from health and transport to business and NGOs — came together inspired and united by a shared vision of what we want?
Meet Sophie Howe, the groundbreaking leader who had a front seat in driving this transformation in Wales, as the world’s first ever Commissioner for Future Generations. Her job description was to be the legislated “conscience of the nation and voice of future generations" under the country’s Future Generations Act. What she actually did required no small amount of inspiring people, building relationships, navigating political systems — as well as sometimes “banging heads together”.
Sophie joins us to talk through the journey Wales has been on and the lessons for Australia: how we can strengthen and rebuild trust in government and institutions like our public sector; how ideas can snow-ball, gathering others to drive incredibly brave, long-term, cross-siloed solutions; and why getting the systems of government right makes every other breakthrough possible. As the Albanese Government puts its oars in the water for the first time towards a wellbeing framework of our own, Sophie reckons those of us who want to see Australia follow a similar path could be “knocking on an open door”. This conversation also builds on our chat chat with Dr Cressida Gaukroger in episode 2 of this season (‘The Road to Wellbeing’)— check it out if you missed it.
This episode of the reMAKERS was recorded on the lands of the palawa people in lutriwita/Tasmania. We honour Traditional Owners of these lands and waters, and pay our respect to Elders past and present.
SHOW NOTES
Things we mention
The Wellbeing of Future Generations (Wales) Act 2015 — including the 7 wellbeing goals
The visioning project and nine pillars of Australia reMADE
The ‘SDGS’ — UN Sustainable Development Goals
‘Slow lanes’ in the supermarket for people who want to talk
Wales announcing a moratorium on new roads (changing tack from more freeways to active and public transport infrastructure)
Hospitals working with green construction firm to re-purpose vacant lands
Recommendations and things you can do
Check out Measuring What Matters — the first wellbeing report from Australia’s Treasurer Jim Chalmers.
Watch Sophie’s John Menadue Oration — her recent speech for The Centre for Policy Development in Australia.
Learn more about the role of Future Generations Commissioner and key achievements.
Read “Governments can do amazing things” — Millie’s blog inspired by Sophie Howe’s 2023 John Menadue Oration.
Tell your MP you support a National Conversation about ‘the Australia we want’, and look out for other opportunities to get involved.
Donate to support these conversations and the work of Australia reMADE.
Subscribe to the reMAKERS podcast (hit ‘follow’ in your podcast app). Share on social, write a review, tell a friend.
Join the conversation. Find us on social media (@Australia reMADE) or email us at [email protected].
Are you overdue for a big pay rise? Would moving a 4 day standard working week be the best way for your employer to give you one (even if you work part-time)?
Economist and Professor John Quiggin thinks so — and he joins for a fireside chat to explain this and other big ideas gathering momentum in modern economics today.
This is your episode if you want to better understand policies like a 4 Day Working Week, different forms of Basic Income, a National Employment Guarantee and how these things would work in practice. What’s inflationary? What can we afford? What about taxes? When does government debt actually matter, and what does the pathway to change look like?
John Quiggin is one of the most respected and prolific voices in Australian economics today. He is a VC Senior Fellow in Economics at the University of Queensland, with more than 1500 publications to his name — including six books. His latest, Economics in Two Lessons: Why Markets Work so Well and Why they can Fail so Badly, is published by Princeton University Press. You can find him everywhere, see links below in your show notes.
This episode of the reMAKERS was recorded in Gubbi Gubbi country on the sunshine coast of Queensland, as well as the land of the Turrbal and Jagera peoples in Meanjin, Brisbane. We honour traditional owners of these lands and waters, and pay our respect to elders past, present and emerging.
SHOW NOTES
Things we mention
Zombie Economics: How Dead Ideas Still Walk Among Us, book by John Quiggin
4DayWeek.com — the global campaign for a 4 day standard working week
“Meet the Liveable Income Guarantee” — article in The Conversation by John Quiggin et al
White Paper on Full Employment in Australia post WW2, and the more recent ‘Jobs and Skills Summit’
“Deaths of Despair”
Recommendations and things you can do
Check out John’s latest book, ‘Economics in Two Lessons: Why Markets Work So Well and Why They can Fail so Badly’.
Read John’s newsletter on Substack.
Check out John’s website for a selection of his recently published media articles and more.
Follow John on Mastodon.
Learn more about 4 Day Work Week, Basic Income and Full Employment Guarantee + get involved.
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The podcast currently has 44 episodes available.