This week, Jacki and Lyle discuss a topic that they have occasionally covered in passing in previous episodes, but never fully delved into. Namely - what makes a great leader? In a brilliant and wide-reaching discussion, Jacki offers some context on why this topic was chosen. She describes the drama that has unfolded around video game software development giant Unity Technologies, creator of cross-platform game engine Unity, and their now former CEO and President John Riccitiello. Jacki describes how Riccitiello demonstrated poor leadership by not communicating clearly Unity's move to implement 'Runtime', which would mean gamers and developers would be charged a fee to play games hosted by the platform. This move angered employees and consumers alike, and led to Riccitiello's resignation and, ultimately, his retirement from the industry earlier this month. Lyle opens up on some of the research he has been doing around leadership, including a list of mantras that people are recommended to follow in order to be considered a strong and effective leader. He also joins Jacki in using, as ever, a series of football figures as examples of great leadership, including the likes of Gareth Southgate, Sir Alex Ferguson, and Roberto De Zerbi of Jacki's beloved Brighton & Hove Albion! Lyle finishes by again inviting Richard Branson on to the podcast, in the hopes of having the British business magnate on the podcast very soon!

Artwork by Daff Kjellström

Music by Lyle Fulton

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