Leading up to The Return Gathering at Saddleback Church, Pastor Andy invites various guests to join him for a conversation as we prepare for where God is leading our church next. Each conversation is designed to grow our understanding of what it means to wholeheartedly return back to God and catch the biblical vision of a sacred assembly. This episode is Pastor Andy’s conversation with David Hibiske. To register for The Return Gathering, visit saddleback.com/thereturn.