In Episode Two of The Revolting Podcast, hosts Úna Brosnan and John MacAskill turn their attention to one of the most persistent assumptions in global energy thinking: the fossil fuel ladder.

They explore where this idea came from, how it continues to shape oil and gas demand forecasts, and why it may no longer reflect reality. Focusing on transport and electrification in Africa, the discussion examines technology leapfrogging, EV adoption, and the tension between policy ambition and delivery.

Alongside reflections on floating offshore wind, industry confidence, and recent market signals, Úna and John challenge the notion that all countries must follow the same energy pathway - and ask what it means when the ladder starts to break.

In the debut episode of The Revolting Podcast, hosts Úna Brosnan and John MacAskill kick things off with an honest look at what it really means to challenge convention in the energy sector.

From boardrooms to offshore platforms, they explore why innovation so often meets resistance - and how the push for progress demands more than new technology. It takes courage, collaboration, and a willingness to get a little uncomfortable.

Úna and John share personal reflections from their own journeys through the energy transition, unpacking the moments that shaped their thinking and the lessons learned from leading through change.

It’s a candid, energising start to a series about questioning norms, embracing disruption, and finding the spark that drives transformation.