Susan starts out the podcast talking about the fires affecting the Pacific Northwest and then we get down to business. We start off with why I think pregnancy often sends women down a dieting rabbit hole and why and then we give real data to make the point. Whether you are about to be pregnant or it was a while ago check this one out.

Towards the end of the podcast Susan and I start talking about women and strength and I begin to personalize it to me and my situation. Susan confronts me about that and from that point on we get into a great conversation about change and the discussions related to change. Too often these kinds of discussions either don't happen or are polarizing. One thing I didn't say in the podcast but I texted Susan later was this "Thanks for pointing that out, real change shouldn't be about how it affects the people outside of the issue at hand. That only distracts from the issue at hand."

One of the reasons why I think this interaction is important is because you have to surround yourself by people that are willing to speak up and challenge you and your opinions.