Matti and Zach talk about a game they created with some insane, absurd, and sometimes disturbing challenges. They also dive into detachment, love, the power of perception, and the root of suffering.

Zach and Matti talk about the films that shaped them, the first conversation they ever had, and The Scientology Oscars.

Matti talks about a pair of socks gifted to her by Zach which contain faces of various celebrities, while Zach obsesses over legos, mixes up the Avatar Movies, and labels grunge bands on a DND alignment chart. The two also talk about obscure ‘Walmart Brand’ type B movies.

Matti tells a tale of the time they hung with a crazy, potentially DANGEROUS stranger, and interpretably partook in the forbidden fruit offered by the snake in the garden of Eden.