The Second Time Around

🎶 “Talkin’ bout us, baby…”

In this episode, we’re talkin’ about the moments early in our journey when we had to put it all on the table—faith, expectations, boundaries, past wounds, and future hopes. Because dating as a Christian isn’t just about being cute and quoting scripture. It’s about clarity, communication, and keeping God at the center from the start.

We get into:

This one’s for anyone who’s tired of surface-level situationships and ready to date with vision. The second time around? We’re not guessing—we’re talkin’ bout us.

🎶 “Like a moth to a flame, burned by the fire…”

In this episode, we’re talkin’ about how love grows—not in the flowers and fairy tales, but in the late-night prayers, the tough talks, the parenting challenges, and the spiritual pruning that makes you stronger. We’ve been married long enough to know: feelings fade, but faith holds.

We get into:

From misunderstandings to making up, we’ve had to let God grow us so our love could grow, too. Because the second time around? It’s not about getting it perfect—it’s about getting real, and choosing each other anyway.

🎶 "Just got paid, Friday night…"

Inspired by Johnny Kemp's 1987 jam, this episode dives into what happens after the payday high. Because in real relationships, money isn't just math—it's ministry. It's how you prioritize, protect, and partner.

In this episode, we talk about:

We share how our different money mindsets created friction—and how we realigned through prayer, therapy, and transparent talks. Ten years in, we're still learning, still budgeting, and still believing that financial unity is possible with grace and grit.

Whether you're splitting checks or merging accounts, Just Got Paid is more than a playlist—it's a playbook for love and legacy.

"Just pray and submit."

Whew—who told us that?

In this episode of The Second Time Around, we’re tearing down the marriage myths we were fed—and talkin’ about the tension that lives between the vows and the real. Because let’s be honest: marriage ain’t magic. It's ministry, maturity, and choosing your person daily... even when they leave dishes in the sink.

We share our truth about the myths that almost tripped us up—myths rooted in tradition, religion, and sometimes just bad advice—and how we’re learning to rewrite the narrative with God, grace, and real grown-folk love.

💬 You’ve been holding yourself hostage to unrealistic expectations

We’re getting into the unfiltered, faith-filled truth of what marriage really looks like after the wedding hashtag fades. Between the altar and the arguments, the covenant and the chaos, there’s a sacred space where real love grows.

"You gots to chill…"

Inspired by that 1997 EPMD classic, this episode is all about the Reset, the Rebuild, and the Real. When life tried to throw us off beat, we had to fall back, let God remix the rhythm, and come back harder—with more clarity, more covering, and more conviction.

In this season opener of The Second Time Around, we're talkin':

This one's for you if:

This ain't just a podcast. It's a movement. A marriage. A ministry. And we're just getting started—again.

In 2019, PJ Morton released his most personal album yet, PAUL — a body of work that felt like a journal set to soul. On his duet with Jazmine Sullivan, "Built For Love," he sings,

"It's not worth keepin' if it's not worth fightin' for..."

That lyric could've been the soundtrack to our story.

This episode is our purest duet — raw, real, and full of grace. Because when we look back, one thing is clear: we were built for this. The first time around taught us lessons, but the second time? That was the blessing we didn't see coming.

From our very first outing, to the "just in case" agreement that revealed more about our fears than our future, our union has been shaped by storms, laughter, hard conversations, and quiet faith. And through it all, we held strong.

In this episode of The Second Time Around Podcast, we open up about:

The defining moments that deepened our friendship

How struggle became the foundation for trust

What it means to fight for love when others don't fully understand it

If you're navigating a second chance at love — or just trying to hold onto the one you've got — this one's for you.

🎙️ Press play and find strength in the stories of love that bends, but doesn't break.

In 1988, Surface gave us that unforgettable R&B anthem: "Closer Than Friends"

"Right now, we're just friends... But I pray someday you'll surrender...To love so tender I won't push you... As long as you know that my love is true..."

But what happens when "just friends" starts to feel like something divinely deeper?

In this episode of The Second Time Around, we share our journey of discovering love in a place we never expected—within our friendship. When you're both prayer partners and pew buddies, serving in God's house together, crossing the friendship line isn't always easy. Between side-eyes from the sanctuary and the questions from well-meaning saints, there's a lot to navigate before love even gets a chance to bloom.

This one's for you if:

Come sit with us as we tell the story of how we moved from "Amen" to "I do" — with friendship, faith, and a whole lot of intentionality.

Want to make God laugh? Tell Him your plans. That’s exactly what we did—and He had something better in mind.

In this heartfelt episode of The Second Time Around Podcast, we share how our paths, full of detours, doubts, and divine delays, unexpectedly led us to one another. Neither of us saw this second chance at love coming, but it was exactly what we both needed.

We open up about our past: former engagements, the strength of friendship, and the value of wise, honest counsel. From a man’s perspective, you'll hear the moment he knew her fiancé wasn’t the one, and what happened next.

We also dive into real conversations around:

This episode is for anyone wondering if real love can happen after heartbreak. SPOILER ALERT: It can! Join us for an intimate, honest conversation full of faith, friendship, and a love story only God could write.

Disciples, buckle up! This episode is a grown-up, faith-filled conversation about dating while serving in ministry—and it’s one you don’t want to miss.

We’re taking you back to the beginning of our love story: the friendship, the courtship, and eventually, the engagement. We revisit those early days with honesty and laughter, sharing the real joys and challenges of building a relationship while navigating our callings.

You’ll hear where we each were in our faith journeys and romantic lives when we met, the unexpected (and hilarious!) story of our first encounter, and how God used fellowship to form the foundation of our bond.

This episode also starts a four-part series exploring how we grew together in love, trust, and purpose. And if you’ve ever been knocked down by a “Love TKO,” we’ve got a word of hope just for you before you decide to give up on love, press play, and join us on The Second Time Around Podcast.

"Bag lady... you gone miss your bus, dragging all those bags like that."

We told you guys we LOVE music, as song lyrics have a way of simplifying complex relationships and social issues. This lyric from Erykah Badu's Bag Lady is a metaphor for unprocessed emotional baggage we carry in our relationships, often without fully understanding why.

In this episode of The Second Time Around Podcast, we're back to explore the origin stories of our familial relationships and understand how embracing and accepting them can lead to a healthier connection with yourself and your partner.

In this episode, we're exchanging baggage for acceptance. Makela's story is an example of the power of understanding your parents' origin story and the importance of learning what baggage your partner is carrying so that you can lighten their load by understanding the weight of their story.