In this episode, we explore the somatic and emotional symptoms of spiritual emergence with guest Natali Deftereos. Natali shares her powerful, non-traditionally guided journey through a profound Kundalini awakening—an intense physical and energetic process that completely transformed her body, emotional state, and understanding of self.
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In this episode you will hear:
* Natali’s unexpected spiritual awakening from a completely materialistic background
* The intense physical and emotional detox, trauma release, and kundalini activation
* Unique insights into ancestral clearing and the deeply somatic nature of awakening
* Navigating loneliness and isolation during the profound transformation
* Practical tools and modalities for supporting awakening and integration
* The importance of trust, surrender, and love in the spiritual evolution process
* How outer life shifts in tandem with inner awakening
Remember, if you’re experiencing intense energetic shifts or symptoms, seek help and that may include ruling out any serious health issues with a medical professional.
Timestamps:
00:00 — Intro
01:30 — How to work with Michelle
02:27 — Welcome and introducing Natali
03:33 — The onset: fatigue and the call to heal
05:47 — Finding the Reiki master
13:03 — The purge, breathwork, and Kundalini awakening
16:17 — Recognizing the spiritual awakening
19:43 — Five years of integration: surrender and guidance
27:56 — Ancestral clearing and the marathon approach
31:05 — Loneliness, isolation, and unexpected support
42:28 — Shared experience: loss, grief, and being seen
48:36 — The gifts: self-love and heart opening
50:44 — Outer life changes and leaving Shanghai
59:25 — Spiritual emergence vs. mental breakdown
67:43 — Natali’s healing work today
72:05 — Final advice and closing
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About Our Guest
Natali Deftereos has lived several lifetimes in one, from qualifying as a Chartered Accountant in London to becoming a pioneering fashion stylist in Shanghai. But as her career peaked, a spontaneous kundalini awakening dismantled her reality. After years of integrating that experience, first while living in Shanghai, then a rural Chinese village and later throughout Europe, Natali now brings a rare precision to the spiritual path. She helps visionaries move beyond information and their current reality to identify the subconscious and ancestral patterns actually shaping their lives.
Connect with Natali:
THRESHOLD 1:1: A focused, one-hour assessment to stop the “thinking” and identify the specific energetic patterns or imprints creating friction in your current reality.
CLEARING THE PATH: A 2.5-hour deep dive into the energetic and subconscious layers of your system to uncover and shift what is actually holding a persistent pattern in place.
THE PHOENIX CONTAINER: A high-intensity 1 or 3-month journey into the deeper layers of your field, addressing ancestral energies, past-life imprints, and core restructuring.
PRIVATE MENTORSHIP: Ongoing, high-level calibration and direct energetic reflection for self-aware individuals who value precision and clarity as they create and lead.
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Deep Dive: References & Further Reading
For those looking to explore the themes of today’s episode further, we recommend the following resources:
Radionics: An alternative practice based on the premise that all matter is interconnected through a unified informational field. By using specialized instruments and resonant frequencies, practitioners map and interact with the subtle energy bodies of living systems to identify imbalances across time and space.
Adyashanti’s Writings: Explore the work of an American spiritual teacher of the Zen Buddhist tradition who expresses a non-dual approach to direct awakening and the embodiment of spiritual intimacy.
Bonnie Greenwell’s Work on Kundalini & Awakening: A vital resource for navigating intense somatic energy shifts and spiritual emergence safely.
Lee Harris: A channeler and spiritual teacher who teaches intuition development and speaks about collective evolution.
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