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In a discussion on my SiriusXM show about Senator Bernie Sanders stating in an interview that he wasn’t “comfortable” with Twitter banning Donald Trump indefinitely, a Sanders supporter called in and said he loves Bernie but joked that he’s “not all there” if he really thinks Trump should be allowed back on Twitter.

I told the caller that I agreed that Sanders was wrong to suggest that maybe Twitter should allow Trump back, and that I feel totally comfortable about banning Trump permanently. Another caller, Jack in Minnesota, then called in to disagree with the previous caller and with me.

I’m not sure if Jack was secretly a conservative or truly a “liberal,” as he identified, as he said we weren’t being consistent by protesting a baker turning away a gay couple but not Twitter banning Trump. But he just couldn’t grasp my point, as you’ll hear: Trump broke the rules of Twitter — over and over — while gays who want a cake baked aren’t breaking any rules in the shop. Both Twitter and the bakery are public accommodations that must treat all groups, and all people, equally. Trump actually was being given special treatment, because others have been tossed off Twitter for breaking the rules Trump broke almost every day.

A gay couple such as the those in cases we’ve seen in the news in recent years is turned away from a bakery, however, simply because they are gay and want a cake for their wedding — before even talking with the baker about what kind of cake or what it should say. They’re being singled out for who they are, not for breaking rules — such as walking into the shop barefoot.

I think this is pretty clear-cut. Trump inspired an insurrection, and promotes hate and violence against groups. Trump has free speech and can exercise it whenever he wants — including by having a rally — but Twitter has no obligation to give him a platform.

Anyway, what do you all think? Listen in and let me know your thoughts!

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Republicans have been in culture war hysterics, lacking any policies and trying to change the subject from the insurrection and white supremacy. They’re in the grip of Donald Trump, QAnon and religious nationalists.

One major line of attack has cruelly been attacking trans kids, and, in particular, trans girls in school sports. Some of these attacks have come as the Equality Act — which would add LGBTQ people to the 1964 Civil Rights Act — has been debated, having passed the House and now coming up for a vote in the Senate.

So I turned to Dawn Ennis, the executive editor of OutSports, a Forbes columnist and a former ABC News assignment editor, to help cut through the lies, interviewing her on my SiriusXM show this week. Ennis has been at the forefront of this issue. As a transgender woman she speaks from experience. And as a journalist she speaks in truths and facts. She’s also very engaging and helps make an issue some pose as complicated into something much easier to understand.

The assaults on trans kids have been coming for some time, with over 78 bills being pushed in the states against transgender people, many of them attempting to ban trans girls from school sports programs, though researchers say they are not backed up by science.

In recent weeks Trump himself, who attacked transgender people throughout his administration, has joined in on the attack on trans girls in sports. He railed against “Joe Biden and the Democrats” in his speech at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Orlando last month, claiming they’re pushing “policies that would destroy women’s sports. Trump claimed “young girls” who would be forced to compete against “biological males,” using the haters’ derogatory term for trans girls.

The GOP has grabbed on to this issue because — like the transgender “bathroom bills” of a few years ago — it’s one that many Americans have little understanding about, often believing lies and misinformation that is promulgated by transphobes. Even well-meaning people have bought into some of the distortions, including blanket claims that trans girls have an advantage over cisgender girls in sports.

I think it’s important for everyone to have as much information about this issue as possible, and to be able to argue with family, friends and co-workers who may be misinformed.

So listen to what Dawn Ennis has to say, and let me know your thoughts.

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In a discussion on my SiriusXM show about the high approval numbers we’re seeing for President Biden and the $1.9 trillion Covid relief bill — and what people thought of the job the president is doing so far — Mike from New York called in to say he’d give Biden a B+. He liked the “change in tone.” He liked his “operating in the institutional framework” and the “show of respect” and turning away from the “high-fevered nonsense” Trump.

But he said there are things he’s not in favor of, and noted he is “very worried” about the Equality Act, the broad LGBTQ anti-discrimination bill that would add LGBTQ people to protected groups under the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Right now, 29 states don’t have such protections in employment, housing, public accommodations and many other areas. And Biden has championed the bill, which passed the House in recent weeks, saying during the 2020 campaign that he wanted to sign it within his first 100 days.

Mike, clearly someone who is more conservative but who nonetheless liked Biden, was ready to move on to something else — but I had to stop him in his tracks and make him explain. Mike said he was worried about “unintended consequences,” and then under questioning raised the right-wing false claim suggesting churches would have to “perform gay marriages.”

I explained that the Civil Rights Act protects religion — and doesn’t force churches to perform weddings of people who are not part of their faith, for example. The claim he made has been part of the hateful agenda of those opposed to LGBTQ rights, distorting the issue as an attack on “religious freedom.” It’s an outright lie.

Mike first claimed he had “read the Equality Act,” and admitted that maybe he “misread” it — though he later admitted he had “gotten that [interpretation] off the National Review” website, the longtime right-wing publication that is hostile to LGBTQ rights.

And Mike said he could be wrong and was willing to go back and read more. He let it be known he was open to being educated.

I thought the call was instructive not only about how the far-right distorts issues, and how people might be sucked into it. It was also interesting because someone who likely is a social conservative expressed his support for Biden, a man who’s now signing the most progressive stimulus bill in decades, growing the social safety net in a bigger way than anything since the Great Depression. I think Mike underscored the challenges Republicans have, as many of their own voters support Biden’s efforts.

It was one of those calls in which not only the caller learned something but hopefully a lot of people listening did as well. And I learned something too.

Listen in and let me know your thoughts.

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At first I thought this was a put on, a far-right nutty supporter of Governor Greg Abbott of Texas just engaging in some trolling. Maybe an anti-mask zealot.

After listening again, however, I’m thinking that, no, it’s for real. (And that, yes, he’s nonetheless a nutty Abbott supporter and an anti-mask zealot.)

But whatever — it’s whackadoodle.

Al called in to my SiriusXM show during a discussion about Abbott lifting the mask mandate, which caused outrage across the country.

Al explained that a few weeks ago he decided that he couldn’t possibly vote for Abbott again — after previously voting for him — after the monster winter storm that knocked out power across the state, largely because of bad, greedy decisions by Abbott and the GOP for years. Al was sitting there with no power or water, and telling friends there was no way he could vote for this guy again. I thought that was a good assessment, and was glad to see Republicans can change their minds.

“I spent three days in a hotel, but I don’t want to spend three years in a mask.”

Al then surmised that Abbott lifted the mask mandate to change the subject and to assuage the base of the GOP in Texas (which I’d actually suggested to him, because I think that’s true).

And, Al said, it worked — because now Al totally supports the governor again, and was “ecstatic” as he walked Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport maskless along with many others.

“I spent three days in a hotel [because of the power outage], but I don’t want to spend three years in a mask,” he said. “He’s won my vote in 2022 enthusiastically.”

I just had to stop him and tell him that he is an “idiot” and that his power would go out again, and his pipes would freeze again, if he helps re-elect Abbott, and, that, “frankly you deserve it.”

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Billy from Virginia also said kids won't know Dr. Seuss depictions are racist if you don't tell them.

And he voted for Trump because, "I don't believe in gay marriage"

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So, Billy from Virginia called in to my SiriusXM program to comment on our discussion about Dr. Seuss Enterprises deciding not to publish six Dr. Seuss books because of racist depictions of Black people, Asians and others.

Billy claimed that children can’t know that Dr. Seuss depictions are racist unless you tell them — completely oblivious to the fact that demeaning images teach children bias about certain groups. I went over that several times, but he just couldn’t grasp it.

He then switched the conversation to Ronald Reagan — because when a conservative is in doubt, I guess, they go to Reagan. He claimed that Republicans are now called racist but that that couldn’t be true because he’s a Republican and he’s been voting Republican since Reagan. And, I guess, Reagan couldn’t have been racist.

As you can imagine, this opened up a whole new discussion about Reagan’s racist policies, political ads and tropes, and Reagan caught on tape with former president Richard Nixon calling leaders at the U.N. from African countries “monkeys.”

Billy couldn’t address those issues — though had to admit, after I told him, that Reagan’s comments about African leaders were racist — so he changed the subject to, “I voted for Donald Trump because I don’t believe in transsexuals” and “I don’t believe in gay marriage.” Yet, he claimed he’s not discriminating against anyone because he knows “what it’s like to be down.” (By the way, this proves how Trump was a driving force against LGBTQ rights and followed through on promises, since people like Billy saw him as fulfilling their agenda.)

When I explained that his comments were discriminatory, Billy fell back on the bible, and said “but I don’t hate them.” When I pointed out that the bible says he shouldn’t be eating all kinds of food, he said he eats bacon but then prays every night to be forgiven for it.

I’m not kidding!

It got even more ridiculous after that and I just had to really slam him as “weak” and “pathetic.”

Some people might think I went too hard on him, but I’m just not going to put up with illogical arguments.

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Nelson from South Carolina says calling the Proud Boys white supremacist is “one of the dumbest statements on earth”

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As we discussed the January 6th insurrection in recent days on my SiriusXM program, Nelson called in from South Carolina to say that describing the Proud Boys as white supremacist is “one of the dumbest statements on earth” and then, when pressed for an answer, said he “kind of” likes the Proud Boys.

But never once did he explain how they were not racist as I went through some of their beliefs and involvements.

Actually, Nelson didn’t really mount much of a defense of anything — he shifted to trying to ask me questions — and I had to call him on the carpet (or rather, call him a “lying piece of s**t.”).

Some of these people think they can just call the show to hijack discussion and yet they have no facts, so they’re not very effective.

When I told Nelson the ideology of the groups like Proud Boys, Oath Keepers and other far-right extremist groups behind the January 6th attack, he attempted to shift to Black Lives Matter and Antifa. I think he was trying to claim they really were behind the January 6th insurrection — which we’ve heard from other conspiracy theorists on the right — but I didn’t let him go there. Nelson claimed not to even know what QAnon is, even though the Proud Boys organized with QAnon personalities for the January 6th attack.

Nelson was a white supremacist, I’m sure, and the only arguments that people like Nelson have now is whataboutism — and it never adds up. He eventually tried to go to what I call Charlottesville trutherism — recreating the facts of Charlottesville. That’s when I had to let him go.

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Moralism about “bailing people out” isn’t going to help our economy and get people back on their feet. And it’s bad politics too.

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Last week on my SiriusXM program, a listener named George from Colorado called in to say that student loan debt forgiveness is a “terrible idea.”

Why?

Because these students “took out the loan” and “they should understand how to pay it back” and if “they haven’t figured that out” they’re “too stupid to go to college” and they’re “not going to be able to get a loan for a house if they’re that ignorant.”

Listen to the clip yourself. When I explained how callous that was — that no one took out a loan with the intent of not paying it, but that we’ve faced massive economic challenges that have hobbled people — George wasn’t having any of it. When I asked if he received a check from the government in Covid relief bills he accused me of changing the subject.

He then just repeated, “they signed a loan.”

This seems to me to be the main argument against student loan debt forgiveness, and it’s steeped in moralism. And when you dig deeper they’re making an argument about not wanting to “pay for” other people — when in fact we’re all paying for each other as a way to keep the economy afloat by keeping each other afloat.

The topic came up on the program after Joe Biden told a woman at a CNN town hall last week that he didn’t support canceling $50,000 in student loan debt per person, something Democrats from Senator Elizabeth Warren to Senator Chuck Schumer have been urging — and they and other Democratic politicians spoke out again.

Biden opted instead for $10,000 — and honestly, that would be a positive, no question about it — and said college should be free to all. But after pushback from many progressives saying that we can do so much better, the White House said it is reviewing whether or not the president “has the authority” to cancel student loan deft — legal scholars say he does, under a decades old law — and that though he didn’t favor $50,000 for everyone he could see targeting that much money to those in most need. Progressives have only made the case more forcefully since, and state attorneys general came out with a strong statement of support for $50,000 in student loan debt forgiveness.

After George’s call to my show, the phones lit up with people calling in to tell their stories. They were from all walks of life — young and old, students and parents, all saddled with enormous debt. The stories were angering, frustrating, and sometimes heartbreaking, and showed the depth of the issue.

Young people can’t get a start — and many, going to state schools, are saddled with way more than $50,000 — while people who would like to retire, in their 60s and 70s, are still paying upwards of $100,000 in student loan debt, and the interest is well over 6%. They’ve paid a lot already. Parents who can’t save for their own retirement are paying their own college debt and the college debt for two or more children, who can’t both pay the loans and their rent with their entry-level jobs.

The government shouldn’t be making money off of people. And economists argue that at a time when you’re trying to stimulate the economy, unburdening people from these debts would add some fuel, allowing people to put the money into other areas.

As Daily Kos’s Kerry Eleveld said when she came on my program, it’s also a political mistake on Biden’s part if he doesn’t go big:

A Civiqs survey this week found that 58% of voters age 18 to 34 support the Biden administration canceling $50,000 in federal student loan debt. It is also wildly popular among Black (83% support) and Latino (69%) voters—demographics that both carry the greatest debt burden and are most impacted by it. As a report last year by the Student Borrower Protection Center found, racial disparities in the effects of student debt perpetuate a "vicious cycle of racial and economic inequality." At its core, this is a civil rights issue—or rather a "crisis," as the report put it—and canceling debt is a relatively easy way to chip away at the systemic racism that has burdened generations of people of color. 

Young people and people of color came out to vote in large numbers for Biden, and Democrats should want to make sure they keep as many voting as possible — by following through on promises. With majorities of important demographic groups supporting forgiveness of $50,000 or more there’s not much political downside.

I know this affects a lot of you and I’d like to hear your stories.

The only way to push hard on this — and show that’s it’s both a good economic decision and a good political decision — is for people to talk about how it would affect their own situations, such as the many people who called my show. So, let us know your thoughts. I’d like to read some of them my program in coming weeks.

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Steve from Philly thinks we’re just spoiling all his “fun,” and that there’s no “proof” Limbaugh was a racist.

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Steve in Philadelphia called in to my SiriusXM program to say it was wrong of me to call Rush Limbaugh, who died this week at the age of 70, a racist. And then Steve continually tried to change the subject or engage in whataboutism.

When I forced him to respond to some of the racist things that Limbaugh said — which are well-documented — he began to pick and choose what he would excuse.

Then at one point, he defended Limbaugh playing a song over and over on his show — “Barack the Magic Negro” — by saying it wasn’t racist, but rather "we were just having fun making fun of people.”

Steve then defended Limbaugh’s vile smearing of African-Americans as violent criminals by saying, “Go take a walk in Camden [New Jersey].” His point I guess was to recklessly charge that Black people will rob or attack white people who go into downtown Camden — though, as one caller later responded, the problem in Camden these days seems to be “white youth strung out on drugs.”

This was so bigoted and disgusting, as the people who are in most danger while walking, driving, jogging, bicycling and just about any other activity are Black, brown and Asian people, who’ve been attacked and killed by thugs on the streets based on pure hate —and, in the case of Black Americans in particular, have been killed by white police officers over and over again.

This one really pissed me off, and I angrily just called him an “a*****e” a couple of times, using some choice four letter words, before hanging up on him and then explaining to listeners why this was pure white supremacy.

As I noted to the listeners, Steve will now be identified in our caller ID to the show as “Steve the white supremacist.”

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His presidency was devastating to many of us. And his loss has driven many of his supporters into violent rage.

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In the days since the 2020 election a lot of people called my SiriusXM radio program to express their relief over Donald Trump’s loss of the presidency, and Joe Biden’s win. Of course, it wasn’t a clean date or cut off, since Trump was continuing to try to overturn the election results through the Big Lie of massive voter fraud, and causing increasingly more stress.

Nonetheless, as the reality came closer, more people called, and many of these listeners said the program had been a way they connected with others across the country, finding community and literally staying sane. I was struck by one, Steven in California, which you can listen to here, who called and opened up on the day of Biden’s inauguration about having “hurt myself”— referring to a suicide attempt — after the 2016 election, a time when he’d recently graduated college.

Steven said he’d been dealing with other issues that affected his mental health, but the Trump presidency (and in particular, Trump’s heinous Muslim ban, which affected Steven’s girlfriend’s family) was a trigger that pushed him into an even darker place. He sought professional help, and over time thankfully got well. I was so glad to hear from him and to know connecting with others via my program had helped and that he got himself to a better place.

We know there are so many more for whom that did not happen. During the four years of Trump’s presidency I had thought about prominent individuals in the news who were reported to have taken their own lives, which happens all too often in America — writers, artists, political activists, entertainers and others — and often wondered if Trump and one or several of his abhorrent actions, from the Muslim ban and child separation to environmental degradation and misogynistic attacks, had been a trigger. It was a horribly depressing, ugly time in America and it badly affected millions.

Surely we know entire groups were terribly affected in a much more brutal way than others, including immigrants, LGBTQ people, Black Americans, Latinos, women and others who saw threats to themselves and their families’ lives and rights. And millions of Americans of every background experienced the terrible day-to-day stress created by an unpredictable authoritarian president — a stress that continued well after the election.

Addressing Trump’s effect on Americans’ mental health, Anna North at Vox fleshed out some of the data and analysis from mental health professionals:

Some of those feelings have also been reflected in nationwide surveys, with a significant increase in stress about the country’s future and political climate after the 2016 election. And in 2020, 68 percent of Americans said the election was a significant source of stress in their lives, up from 52 percent in 2016…

…While Trump was able to energize a core of supporters with his mix of bravado, defiance, and racism, for many others, his presidency was, quite simply, scary. In the American Psychological Association’s 2016 “Stress in America” survey, 63 percent of Americans said the future of the country was a “significant source of stress,” and 56 percent said they were stressed out by the current political climate. In the 2018 version of the survey, those numbers went up to 69 percent and 62 percent, respectively.

Clinical psychologist Jennifer Panning even coined the term “Trump anxiety disorder” to describe the stress many people were feeling in the weeks and months following the 2016 election. “People tended to experience things like ruminations, like worries of what’s going to be next” as they awaited each new tweet or action by the president, Panning told Vox.

Certainly I felt all of this myself — the horrible dread, the sleepless nights, the worry about rights being taken from so many (including myself as a gay man), the brutality and the violence, the fear that the planet might quite literally erupt. All of it was overwhelming. I’ve said it many time: hosting my radio program was cathartic for me. Being able to vent, but also being able to connect and having to (mostly) hold it together for other people who were listening helped me immensely.

And I heard from so many people who were terribly affected and struggling. So many are still feeling the aftereffects as there’s something similar to post-traumatic stress occurring.

“If you have any intact reality testing, you're going to be horrified and highly anxious, if not afraid for your life,” psychiatrist and Yale University professor Bandy X. Lee, whom I’ve interviewed on my program, told the San Francisco Chronicle in December. “This presidency itself had brought stress levels and anxiety levels to record levels, even before all the chaos. People are going to be suffering greatly and traumatized after this presidency.”

And for so many people, their lives and their families’ lives — I think about immigrant children put in cages, or transgender people’s lives destroyed after being ejected from the military — were caused such trauma that even policy changes and a new president can’t reverse the immense mental harm that was caused, which will linger for the rest of their lives.

Lee, who edited the book, “The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 37 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President,” also discussed the effects on the mental health of Trump supporters, brought into this delusional world of lies and demented cults and now dealing with a loss they can’t fathom — and which drove some of them to violent actions, such as the storming of the Capitol.

Lee’s comments came before January 6th. Her observations help explain why some would be led to violence, and why we may be just seeing the beginning:

We know how some of them reject facts and reality, even currently. We know how painful it is for some of them to face reality. A fair percentage will experience the trauma after this presidency. If there were another President Trump to appear, they would be vulnerable to attaching to him, as to avoid facing reality. A lot of them will be simply clinging to the delusions. They cannot face letting go of their wishful thinking and their image of a savior or rescuer would be shattered. The more harmed they are, the more difficult it becomes to accept even the possibility that he could be harming them. There's a psychological collusion that's happening. His followers in particular were primed for someone with similar developmental defects to come around and entice them. There's a kind of narcissistic symbiosis that happens between him and his followers.

So, clearly, we’re going to face much more with regard to how Trump’s supporters deal with what has happened — and refuse to face reality.

And for the rest of us, we’re still dealing with the fallout of the Trump presidency even as we celebrate him gone from office.

I’m sure many of you have experienced and are still experiencing a lot of very mixed and powerful emotions, and I, and I’m sure others, would certainly like to hear from you in the comments, as I think there needs to be a lot of discussion about this topic. Trump is gone — and that’s a great thing — but the effects of his presidency on political life and culture, and Americans’ mental health, has been profound.

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Kevin from Indiana said he, too, is “angry” and “disappointed” with Trump, and has been from “early on.” So did he vote for him again?

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Kevin from Indiana called in to my SiriusXM show on Monday to say he’s a “conservative” who was coming “in peace,” and explained that he has been listening to Rush Limbaugh “for 30 years,” and listening to my show for "about three weeks.”

He opined that I’m missing “a big opportunity” to “unite us,” because there are a lot of conservatives like him who are “very angry” with Donald Trump, and “very disappointed” with Trump, and are “sick” of being called “racists and white supremacists.”

Well, this must be something positive, I thought to myself: Kevin sounded like someone who saw the light, saw the terrible impact of Trump, right?

Indeed, when I asked Kevin what made him “turn on Trump,” he replied that Trump “blew his credibility,” and it was because of the “way that he acted and tweeted and spoke,” which had “ruined” anything “good” that Kevin thought he might have done.

“Beating up on John McCain, beating up on gold star parents, exaggerating and lying,” he said. “A lot of people group a lot of conservatives together with Donald Trump and they think we all agree with that. We don’t agree with that.”

“It was cumulative for you,” I replied, asking, “When did you finally say, ‘Ok, I’ve had enough?”

Kevin thought about it for a second and then replied that, “um, it’s tricky,” adding, “I would say, early on.”

Well, early on, wow. So of course he couldn’t have voted for Trump again in 2020, right?

Wrong.

It all took quite a turn. You really do have to listen to this one.

(One correction: AOC was born in The Bronx, not Brooklyn.)

Listen in and, please, let me know your thoughts.

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