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John Huey and Michael Tingley discuss fear and anxiety in the light of some recent serious health problems they have both faced. This topic is addressed from the point of view of two committed atheists and how they deal with these issues in their recovery without fantasy or fallacy to carry them through. 

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John Huey and Michael Tingley discuss the fact that there appears to be much to be discovered on the journey from there to here as an atheist in recovery. We found that we would not have had it any other way.  

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John Huey and Michael Tingley revisit this well-worn topic to consider where they now are, as non-believers in recovery, given the progression of their own individual recoveries and their relations (and non-relations) to the formal recovery programs out there. We suspect each listener may have their own unique, personal view of this.  

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John Huey and Michael Tingley discuss living their lives in the real world, as opposed to a life based, at least in part, on fantasy, and how the sometimes hard road of what can actually be seen (as opposed to a path where people constantly conjure up what is imagined) leads to a greater appreciation of an abstinence based sober life, where clarity of thought prevails.

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There is never enough love in the world but these days there seems to be a real excess in the amount of hate out there. What to do? Speaking for themselves only, John Huey and Michael Tingley discuss this within the context of how a non-believer in long term recovery might be dealing with this in these perilous times.  

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John Huey and Michael Tingley discuss love as being a prime mover in recovery and in life. While not without its problems it is a marker for the ability to deal with both adversity and the ultimate satisfactions of a sober life as a non-believer. Did we find love and happiness before our recovery or was it delayed, as it often is, until some time after our recovery began? This, as well as many other aspects of this formidable emotion, are discussed in the light of a recovery free of any search for “gods will’. 

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John Huey and Michael Tingley discuss an approach to recovery from alcohol and/or drugs based on what is seen, not what is wished for. The reaction of others to this firmly held position in both the conventional recovery programs and the so-called “secular recovery” organizations is also discussed at some depth.   

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In this episode John Huey and Michael Tingley take on, from a determined Atheist perspective, a tendency they see in recovery programs (both "secular" and conventional) to judge the behavior of others and set behavioral boundaries in terms of the "quality" of others’ sobriety. Many aspects of this tendency, from the obvious to the more subtle, are discussed. 

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John Huey and Michael Tingley discuss common compulsive behavior patterns unrelated to substance abuse and how an Atheist might address these issues without any reference to “spirituality” or religion as a solution. The discussion is related to their own experience only and is meant to be both descriptive and relevant without being proscriptive in any way.  

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John Huey and Michael Tingley have a conversation with a prominent person in Australian Secular Recovery, Mick Shiels, who discussed his ideas regarding moving forward there in a fully secular way without reliance on any dogmatic recovery program or movement. You can join Mick every Saturday at 7:00 PM Eastern USA time on Zoom for his new, unaffiliated, Secular Recovery meeting, Abstinent Atheists Australia, Meeting ID 83192206790 Passcode 311200.