The Social-Engineer Podcast

Today on the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Security Awareness Series, Chris is joined by Julie Chatman. Julie is a distinguished cybersecurity executive with nearly two decades of experience in cybersecurity strategy, risk management, and AI governance.

She began her career in the U.S. Navy, serving on active duty as a Hospital Corpsman specializing in Medical Laboratory Science & Technology. Her transition into cybersecurity began at the FBI, where strong mentorship shaped her approach to leadership, problem solving, and talent development.

She currently serves as the Deputy Chief Information Security Officer for Finance at the Virginia Information Technologies Agency (VITA), where she is focused on driving risk reduction across state agencies. The role is part of a strategic engagement through her company, ResilientTech Advisors.

Julie leads CyberPath Coaching, where she draws on her experience as an active CISO to mentor cybersecurity professionals, accelerate their growth, and prepare them for executive roles. She works with individuals breaking into the field, mid-career professionals, aspiring CISOs, and cybersecurity entrepreneurs. [May 19, 2025]

00:00 - Intro

00:53 - Intro Links:

- Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

- Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/

- Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/

- Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/

- Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

- CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

- innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

02:03 - Julie Chatman Intro

03:14 - A Hungry Brain

04:25 - We Are Mushroomed

05:54 - Being an Enabler

10:13 - Speak Their Language

13:33 - Assigning Responsibility

16:05 - A Tool, Not a Replacement

20:35 - Career Challenges

22:40 - Strategic Empathy

23:46 - Setting Boundaries

24:15 - Narrative Control

25:38 - Staying Positive

29:39 - The Target is the Same

32:09 - Book Recommendations

- World War Z - Max Brooks

33:20 - Mentors

- MB Kinder

- Martha Williams

35:14 - Find Julie Chatman Online

- Website: cyberpathcoaching.net

- LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/julie-chatman-mba-infosec

35:54 Wrap Up & Outro

- www.social-engineer.com

- www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

Today we are joined by José Morey, M.D. Dr. Morey is Chief Executive Officer and Founder of Ad Astra Media LLC, an Eisenhower Fellow, and Co-Founder of Ever Medical Technologies. He is a health and technology keynote speaker, author, and consultant for NASA, Forbes, MIT, the United Nations World Food Program and the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy. He is considered the world's first Intergalactic Doctor and is often featured on Forbes, Univision, CNBC, and NASA360. He coined Puerto Rico as the future "Silicon Island" as appeared in Forbes, The Weekly Journal, Reddit and Hispanic Executive. Additionally, he is co-author of "LatinX Business Success". [May 12, 2025]

00:00 - Intro

00:19 - Intro Links

- Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

- Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/

- Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/

- Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/

- Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

- CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

- innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

01:37 - Dr. Jose Morey Intro

02:30 - A Marriage of Pursuits

09:48 - What is an Intergalactic Doctor?

12:21 - S.T.E.A.M.

16:51 - Limited Trust of AI

23:49 - A Tool is Amoral

27:03 - Ad Astra

31:05 - The Power of Representation

33:13 - Find Dr. Jose Morey Online

- Website: adastrasteammedia.org

- LinkedIn: in/drjosemorey

- Instagram: @adastramedia_org

33:55 - Book Recommendations

- Leonardo da Vinci Books

- I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings - Maya Angelou

- Quantum Mechanics Books

35:14 - Mentors

- Family

- Grandmother

37:36 - Helping in a Healthy Way

39:09 - Guest Wrap Up & Outro

- www.social-engineer.com

- www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Doctor Is In Series – where we will discuss understandings and developments in the field of psychology.

In today's episode, Chris and Abbie are discussing Emotional Regulation in the Workplace. They will talk about the different strategies that can be used to help, not just at work, but in most areas of our lives. [May 5, 2025]

00:00 - Intro

00:38 - Dr. Abbie Maroño Intro

00:57 - Intro Links

- Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

- Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/

- Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/

- Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/

- Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

- CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

- innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

02:30 - The Topic of the Day: Emotional Regulation in the Workplace

04:14 - Strategy 1: Deep Acting

14:10 - Strategy 2: Mindfulness & Acceptance

19:24 - Strategy 3: Social Sharing

26:40 - Strategy 4: Humor & Distraction

31:21 - Wrap Up

33:07 - Next Month: The Lonely Chapter

33:41 - Outro

- www.social-engineer.com

- www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

Find us online:

- LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/dr-abbie-maroño-phd

- Instagram: @DoctorAbbieofficial

- LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/christopherhadnagy

References:

Kalokerinos, E. K., Résibois, M., Verduyn, P., & Kuppens, P. (2017). The temporal deployment of emotion regulation strategies during negative emotional episodes. Emotion, 17(3), 450–458. https://doi.org/10.1037/emo0000248

Côté, S., & Hideg, I. (2011). The consequences of faking emotions: Emotional dissonance, relationship quality, and employee well-being. Emotion, 11(4), 803–815. https://doi.org/10.1037/a0023868

Lomas, T., Medina, J. C., Ivtzan, I., Rupprecht, S., & Eiroa-Orosa, F. J. (2019). The impact of mindfulness on well-being and performance in the workplace: An inclusive systematic review of the empirical literature. European Journal of Work and Organizational Psychology, 28(6), 782–804. https://doi.org/10.1080/1359432X.2019.1659420

Bono, J. E., Foldes, H. J., Vinson, G., & Muros, J. P. (2007). Workplace emotions: The role of supervision and leadership. Journal of Applied Psychology, 92(5), 1357–1367. https://doi.org/10.1037/0021-9010.92.5.1357

Clayton, S. (2024). Working well: The simple act of taking deep breaths can reduce stress and anxiety. Associated Press.

Ordali, E., et al. (2024). Exhaustion at work can lead to difficulty controlling emotions, scientists say. The Guardian.

Mesmer-Magnus, J., Glew, D. J., & Viswesvaran, C. (2012). A meta-analysis of positive humor in the workplace. Journal of Managerial Psychology, 27(2), 155–190. https://doi.org/10.1108/02683941211199554

Scheibe, S., & Zacher, H. (2013). A lifespan perspective on emotion regulation, stress, and well-being in the workplace. In The Oxford Handbook of Stress, Health, and Coping (pp. 291–306). Oxford University Press. https://doi.org/10.1093/oxfordhb/9780195375343.013.0017

Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The 4th Monday Series with Chris Hadnagy and Mike Holfeld. Chris and Mike will be covering cutting edge global news to help people remain safe, secure and knowledgeable in a world where it is hard to know what is real and what is fake news.

Today Chris and Mike are joined by Kayla Lussier. Kayla is the co-founder of Money Match, a platform championing financial wellness by connecting real estate investors and small businesses with the capital they need to thrive. Her 15 years in healthcare as a nurse practitioner have instilled in her a deep understanding of holistic well-being – mind, body, and wallet. [April 28, 2025]

00:00 - Intro

00:16 - Mike Holfeld Intro

00:47 - Today's Guest: Kayla Lussier

01:53 - Jumping In Too Quickly

03:22 - Getting Burned

07:35 - Don't Mess with Kayla!

09:07 - Making a Match

13:21 - Play is the Way

15:17 - Mitigating the Risks

18:26 - Digital Nomads Welcome

21:25 - Find Kayla Lussier Online

- Website: moneymatchapp.com

22:30 - Silver Tsunami

24:26 - Wrap Up

24:40 - Next Month: Baseball Technology

24:50 - Outro

- www.social-engineer.com

- www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

Find us online:

- Chris Hadnagy

- Twitter: @humanhacker

- LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/christopherhadnagy

Today on the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Security Awareness Series, Chris is joined by Travis Farral. Travis has been working in information security since the 90s at places such as Nokia, ExxonMobil, and XTO Energy. He is currently VP & CISO at Archaea Energy, a bp owned, renewable natural gas company based in Houston, Texas. He has spoken at events around world on topics such as Cyber Threat Intelligence, MITRE ATT&CK, and Incident Response. Notable activities during his career include everything from programming logic controllers, building and leading SOCs, driving forklifts, standing up cybersecurity teams, developing threat intelligence programs, and handling responses to incidents, among many other things over the last few decades. [April 21, 2025]

00:00 - Intro

00:18 - Intro Links:

- Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

- Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/

- Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/

- Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/

- Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

- CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

- innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

02:08 - Travis Farral Intro

02:58 - A Different Path than Today

05:25 - Healthy Hacking

08:08 - Anything Can Be Weaponized

10:54 - Questionable Behavior

14:31 - Smash That Report Button!!!

18:58 - Improving Our Odds

21:00 - You Have to Keep It Simple

22:25 - Letters to a Young CISO

24:20 - Find Travis Farral online

- LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/travisfarral

25:01 - Mentors

- Shawn Edwards

- Jay Leek

27:02 - Book Recommendations

- R. E. Lee: A Biography - Douglas Southall Freeman

29:34 - Wrap Up & Outro

- www.social-engineer.com

- www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

Today we are celebrating our 300th episode! Chris will be joined by some friends as he discusses how the podcast got started - back in 2009, how it has evolved, including the creation of multiple series, and the direction for the future. [April 14, 2025]

00:00 - Intro

00:22 - Intro Links

- Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

- Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/

- Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/

- Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/

- Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

- CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

- innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

02:45 - Social-Engineer Origin Story

03:59 - The Human Element Series

05:34 - The Security Awareness Series

06:03 - The Doctor Is In Series

06:12 - The SE ETC. Series

06:28 - The 4th Monday Series

07:05 - The Future

07:43 - Amanda Drops By

08:35 - Ooof!

09:12 - SE Trivia

13:17 - A Video Celebration!

21:16 - Neil Fallon Drops By

52:50 - Wrap Up

53:56 - Outro

- www.social-engineer.com

- www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Doctor Is In Series – where we will discuss understandings and developments in the field of psychology.

In today's episode, Chris and Abbie are discussing Why Do We Cry? They will talk about the psychological and biological influence on our crying, as well as those that cry too much, too little, and how to get support to find the right balance. [April 7, 2025]

00:00 - Intro

00:16 - Dr. Abbie Maroño Intro

00:31 - Intro Links

- Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

- Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/

- Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/

- Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/

- Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

- CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

- innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

02:55 - The Topic of the Day: Why do we cry?

03:23 - An Emotional Release

04:50 - Biologically Speaking

06:15 - Crying Too Much?

10:14 - Chemical Reaction

12:12 - Let It Out!

15:25 - Suppression Depression

18:38 - Symptom, Not Cause

20:32 - The Hormone Effect

21:22 - Best Next Steps

23:53 - Wrap Up

24:23 - Next Month: Emotional Regulation in the Workplace

25:25 - Outro

- www.social-engineer.com

- www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

Find us online:

- Twitter: @DrAbbieofficial

- LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/dr-abbie-maroño-phd

- Instagram: @DoctorAbbieofficial

- Twitter: @humanhacker

- LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/christopherhadnagy

References:

Bagby, D. G. (1999). Seeing through our tears: Why we cry, how we heal. Augsburg Books.

Bylsma, L. M., Gračanin, A., & Vingerhoets, A. J. (2019). The neurobiology of human crying. Clinical Autonomic Research, 29, 63-73.

Feeny, N. C., Zoellner, L. A., Fitzgibbons, L. A., & Foa, E. B. (2000). Exploring the roles of emotional numbing, depression, and dissociation in PTSD. Journal of traumatic stress, 13, 489-498.

Gračanin, A., Bylsma, L. M., & Vingerhoets, A. J. (2014). Is crying a self-soothing behavior?. Frontiers in psychology, 5, 82046.

Holguín-Lew, J. C., & Bell, V. (2013). "When I Want to Cry I Can't": Inability to Cry Following SSRI Treatment. Revista Colombiana de Psiquiatría, 42(4), 304-310.

Lilley, M. (2019). Why We Cry: The Science of Tears. Compass Point Books.

Millings, A., Hepper, E. G., Hart, C. M., Swift, L., & Rowe, A. C. (2016). Holding back the tears: Individual differences in adult crying proneness reflect attachment orientation and attitudes to crying. Frontiers in psychology, 7, 196642.

Ramirez, S. M., Glover, H., Ohlde, C., Mercer, R., Hamlin, C., Goodnick, P., & Perez-Rivera, M. I. (2001). Relationship of numbing to alexithymia, apathy, and depression. Psychological Reports, 88(1), 189-200.

Steer, R. (2011). Self-reported inability to cry as a symptom of anhedonic depression in outpatients with a major depressive disorder. Psychological reports, 108(3), 874-882.

Trimble, M. (2014). Why humans like to cry: Tragedy, evolution, and the brain. Oxford University Press.

Vingerhoets, A. J., & Bylsma, L. M. (2016). The riddle of human emotional crying: A challenge for emotion researchers. Emotion Review, 8(3), 207-217.

Vingerhoets, A. J., & Scheirs, J. G. (2012). Crying and health. In Adult crying (pp. 227-246). Routledge.

Vingerhoets, A. J., Cornelius, R. R., Van Heck, G. L., & Becht, M. C. (2000). Adult crying: A model and review of the literature. Review of General Psychology, 4(4), 354-377.

Walter, C. (2006). Why do we cry?. Scientific American Mind, 17(6), 44-51.

REPLAY (Original Air Date May 27, 2024)

*Please note that this episode contains discussions regarding abuse that some may find disturbing.

Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The SE Etc. Series. This series will be hosted by Chris Hadnagy, CEO of Social-Engineer LLC, and The Innocent Lives Foundation, as well as Social-Engineer.Org and The Institute for Social Engineering. Join Chris as he discusses topics and news pertaining to the world of Social Engineering.

Today, Chris is joined by Nadja El Fertasi. Nadja is a leading figure in fostering emotional resilience within the digital age. Her comprehensive expertise spans crisis management, strategic stakeholder communication, and emotional intelligence, creating a unified approach to enhance the human side of digital advancements.

Having spent nearly two decades at NATO, including a significant role in the NATO Communications and Information Agency focusing on Digital Transformation & Cybersecurity, Nadja has been a pivotal figure in strategic engagement and communications. This role highlighted her commitment to navigating and leading through the complexities of cybersecurity and digital transformation. With over 15 years dedicated to cybersecurity at NATO, Nadja has emerged as a respected expert in her field. Her contribution to the cybersecurity community was acknowledged in "Hacking Gender Barriers: Europe's Top Cyberwomen," by the Women4Cyber foundation, which recognized her as one of Europe's influential figures in cybersecurity.

Today, Nadja is the voice behind the EQ Elevator Podcast, where she assists businesses in cultivating leadership that's resilient and equipped for the digital age's challenges. Her work is dedicated to shaping a safer, more emotionally intelligent digital landscape, where individuals and organizations can thrive amidst technological disruptions. [May 27, 2024]

00:00 - Intro

00:19 - 2024 State of Vishing Report

01:01 - Intro Links

- Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

- Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/

- Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/

- Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/

- Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

- CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

- innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

03:11 - Nadja El Fertasi Intro

05:02 - The Importance of Sharing

07:14 - Romance Scam: Nadja's Story

13:51 - The Other Side

15:59 - The Red Flags

19:13 - A Gift and a Curse

23:22 - Taking Responsibility

25:24 - Love, Not Romance

27:05 - Navigating the Apps

32:28 - Reality Check

37:27 - Being Human

39:39 - Learning From "No"

41:28 - Where to Report

42:25 - Wrap Up

43:58 - Find Nadja El Fertasi Online

- LinkedIn: in/nadja-elfertasi

- Instagram: @nadjafertasi

45:17 - Outro

- www.social-engineer.com

- www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

Find us online

- Chris Hadnagy

- Twitter: @humanhacker

- LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/christopherhadnagy

Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The 4th Monday Series with Chris Hadnagy and Mike Holfeld. Chris and Mike will be covering cutting edge global news to help people remain safe, secure and knowledgeable in a world where it is hard to know what is real and what is fake news.

Today Chris and Mike are joined by Nancy Hecht. Nancy started in the financial service business in 1983 as a registered Rep, moved to Certified Financial Group in 1988, and became a CFP in 1994. She is now a fee-based CFP where she provides comprehensive planning and investment management. [March 24, 2025]

00:00 - Intro

00:18 - Mike Holfeld Intro

00:46 - Today's Guest: Nancy Hecht

01:08 - Topic of the Day: Financial Advice

01:31 - The Ever-Changing Future of Taxes

02:51 - Roth IRA vs 401K

05:35 - The Difference Between Need and Want

07:54 - Prepping for Retirement

11:37 - Being Diversified

13:11 - Crypto

15:05 - Toe in the Sock Money

16:49 - The Big 5

17:41 - Pay Yourself First

18:37 - Basic Tips

19:11 - Don't Panic!

21:09 - Closing Advice

22:32 - Find Nancy Hecht Online

-          Website: hechteffect.net

-          Email: [email protected]

-          Phone: 407-869-9800

22:52 - Wrap Up

23:19 - Next Month: Baseball Technology

24:12 - Outro

-          www.social-engineer.com

-          www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

Find us online:

-          Chris Hadnagy

-          Twitter: @humanhacker

-          LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/christopherhadnagy

Today on the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Security Awareness Series, Chris is joined by Roy Luongo. Roy is the Chief Information Security Officer for the United States Secret Service. He leads a team in the defense and information assurance of all USSS information systems and solutions. Prior to his current role he was the Director, Joint Mission Operations Center for Cyber Command, providing oversight of mission critical Cyber Operations infrastructures. He has also served as Chief, NSA Red Team and Technical Director for Interactive Operations for the NSA. Roy is a retired Army soldier with 20 years' service within the Intelligence and Cyber career fields. [March 17, 2025]

00:00 - Intro

00:17 - Intro Links:

- Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

- Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/

- Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/

- Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/

- Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

- CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

- innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

01:55 - Roy Luongo Intro

02:44 - The Path to CISO of the Secret Service

04:58 - Cybersecurity in Early Education

07:50 - The Entry Level Catch-22

12:24 - Quantifying Risk

14:27 - The Best Way Forward

16:51 - The Effects and Future of AI

20:06 - Understanding Your Needs

22:11 - Advise to Young Roy

24:56 - The Cost of Training

29:01 - Mentors

- Ed Skoudis

- Brigadier General Brian D. Vile

- Shawn Turskey

29:55 - Lollipop Moments

- TEDxToronto - Drew Dudley "Leading with Lollipops"

31:33 - Book Recommendations

- Cybersecurity Canon - Rick Howard

- Kingpin - Kevin Poulsen

- Turn the Ship Around! - L. David Marquet

33:49 - Wrap Up & Outro

- www.social-engineer.com

- www.innocentlivesfoundation.org