What happens when we step away from the noise of modernity and sit quietly with the land, with our dreams, with each other?

In this intimate conversation, Dan speaks with Betsy Perluss—esteemed elder, Wilderness Guide with the School of Lost Borders, Jungian analyst, and psychotherapist.

Betsy has spent decades guiding people into the wild, into themselves, and into the shared spaces where land and psyche weave together.

Supporting people into deep relationship with Earth and soul, through solo time on the land and the ancient practice of council.

Together we explore how these deceptively simple practices—fasting alone under the sky, listening deeply in circle, paying attention to the more-than-human and tuning into our dreams—can shift our orientation to life in profound ways.

This is a conversation about mystery, grief, presence, and the possibility that wisdom is always already available… if we learn how to listen.

How do we learn to listen differently — to land, to mystery, to each other?

We talk about the practice of solo time on the land—sitting out, fasting, letting Earth be both mirror and teacher. And we talk about council—an ancient, simple, radical practice of listening and being listened into deeper presence.

These are quietly revolutionary practices.

They offer ways of being that modernity can’t commodify or quantify—ways that remind us we belong.

The conversation also opens into dreams, the unseen, and the deep mystery that enfolds every life.

Betsy reminds us that paying attention to mystery may offer more than all the technologies and rational maps we’ve been taught to rely on.

This episode is not about solutions. It’s about presence. It’s about remembering that the land is always speaking, that our dreams carry wisdom, and that listening together can be its own kind of healing.

Themes We Move Through

🌲 Solo time on the land as a mirror and guide

🪶 Council as a way of listening each other into deeper being

🌌 Dreams and the unseen as teachers

🌀 What modernity blinds us to—and what becomes possible when we remember otherwise

💙 Crew questions: what it means to belong, to serve, to stay awake together

🌐 Guest: Betsy Perluss

* Wilderness Guide, Jungian Analyst, and Psychotherapist

* Long-time teacher with the School of Lost Borders

If you’re interested in experiencing these practices, Becoming Crew Collective are hosting a final Community Solo, a weekend on the land including fire circles, council and a fully guided overnight nature solo at Ghostwood Down, Nr Bath - 19-21st September - full info here

What does it take to reforest a country that’s forgotten its forests?

In this grounded and wide-ranging conversation, I sit down with surfer, grower, and land-restorer Matt Smith—co-founder and CEO of the Hometree charity in Ireland.

A lifelong wave-rider turned regenerative farmer, and landscape rewilder, Matt has poured his vision and determination into one of the most ambitious rewilding efforts on the island.

But this isn’t just a story of saplings and success.It’s a story of tension—between aliveness and economy, vision and system.

Together we explore:

🌊 The courage it takes to ride both waves and grief

🌱 How regeneration must be cultural as much as ecological

🪵 The challenge of convincing farmers to plant trees—even now, even here

💸 The heartbreak of realising that money still speaks louder than the land

🎭 The role of artists and storytellers in restoring relationship to place

This episode asks: Can we grow forests from love rather than incentives? Can we compost the logics of modernity while still living inside them?

It doesn’t offer easy answers. But it does offer soil, surf, and story.Listen for the entanglement, not the solution.

What if the maps we’ve been using to make sense of the world…are no longer capable of guiding us?

What if the future no longer works ?

In this immersive audio essay, I’m taking you on a spiralling journey through the unraveling terrain of modernity.

Naming the deep violence coded into its dominant logics, and inviting us to compost the spoiled maps that have brought us to this moment of planetary crisis.

From Gaza to the dance floor, from ocean devastation to AI-fuelled destruction, this is a raw, heartfelt, and unflinching exploration through grief, complicity, beauty, and the possibility of regeneration.

It’s not tidy.

It’s not performative.

It’s not hopeful in the superficial sense.

But it is deeply alive.

A sonic rambling.

More like a sonic compost heap.

One for the headphones.

🌿 Themes We Move Through:

🗺️ Spoiled maps and violent logics of modernity

💣 Silence, complicity, and the normalisation of harm

🌊 Ocean destruction and the illusion of human separation

🎧 Capitalism on the dance floor: from music to militarisation

🔥 Response-ability and composting grief into action

💙 A Rebellion of the Heart, and remembering the operating system of life

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What does it mean to act — not out of certainty, but out of grief and relational sensing ?

In this quietly powerful episode, Dan sits on the land with Gavin Fernie-Jones, co-founder of the Re-Action Collective, to explore how deep connection to place, the loss of his father, and the visible unraveling of mountain ecologies catalysed a life of collective action.

From ski lifts to community sewing tables, this conversation moves across the terrain of:

🌄 Mountains as memory and mirror 🔥 The palpable grief of witnessing climate collapse in beloved places 🧵 How one collective is patching, repairing, and repurposing not just outdoor gear—but the culture of disposability 🌀 Why experimental, humble, decentralised alternatives already exist—quietly flourishing beneath the capitalist noise ❤️‍🩹 Grief as a portal into purpose, and what becomes possible when we stop waiting for permission

Gav and the Re-Action Collective (now 70+ organisations strong) aren’t waiting for top-down transformation. They’re making the future by hand, with care, and in kinship.

This episode invites you not just to listen—but to feel.Feel the grief. Feel the land. Feel the possibility of living otherwise.

🔗 More about Re-Action:

https://re-action-collective.org/

https://www.actionism.space/

Greetings to the Summer Solstice

Here in the Northern Hemisphere

The sun is at peak power

These next days are the longest

Until we begin the gentle swing back towards darker times.

This morning my fellow guide Mark Sears sent me this poem from Persian Poet and Mystic - Hafiz which I shared on our call.

The Sun Never Says

Even after all this time

The sun never says to the earth,

“You owe Me.”

Look what happens with

A love like that,

It lights the Whole Sky.

Hafiz

______________________________

These are words that speak to the generosity of the sun

This extraordinary mysterious being of light and energy.

Because without the sun we do not exist.

No life exists.

And so we are all therefore - Children of the Sun

And that generosity runs deep in our embodied code.

It’s within us.And so I am re-minded again and again.

That perhaps it’s as simple as Re-membering what is already there.

I’ve been contemplating the sun much of this week

Enjoying the warmth on my skin but also aware of the searing heat that I’m experiencing in these days and what that triggers…

Noticing the abundance of plants and insects on the land around me and the vegetables and fruit in my garden which are thriving this year.

Noticing how the wild waters on the lands that I walk are running slower and slower.

I made a new Earth Sessions mix as an offering to honour the Solstice.

I’ve included tracks spanning 35 years, a few that were mainstays in my record box back in the late 90's.

In the company of some more recent beauties.

Big love to the artists, producers and creators of these sonic gifts. Full tracklist on site.

This is a 120/122 bpm groove.

For honouring the Sun, love, life, grief and joy of being alive on Spaceship Earth right now.

And the possibility of dancing our ways into more beautiful and peaceful futures.

A big summer salute to the cuckoos of Dartmoor who also appear in the intro.

How are you tuning into this moment in the Earth cycle?

Solstice blessings to you, hope you are finding some peace

New episode 102 - this is an audio adventure featuring a live panel conversation from the launch of new bio-regional project We Are Avon and musings from a Pilgrimage along the River Avon herself in the last week.

Across the UK more and more communities are engaging with the deteriorating health of their local rivers and wild waters.

From cold water swimmers, fishermen to local food growers, conservationists, nature lovers, artists, storytellers, writers and community activists there is a growing understanding that the health of the rivers reflects the health of our societies.

There is also a growing awareness that the rivers and wild waters of our lands are the arteries that lead to the ocean, the great blue heart of Spaceship Earth.

In the last couple of years I’ve been participating in the birth of a Bio-Regional project called We Are Avon (WAA) here in my hometown of Bath.

We Are Avon is an emergence of a place-based movement for regeneration in the UK.

It aims to act upon the interwoven crises of river pollution, climate change and food insecurity. Led by the people, a diverse web of communities, regenerators, farmers and projects who collaborate to regenerate.

A grassroots movement to provide food resilience for the region whilst also regenerating the communities, landscapes and watersheds of the catchment area beginning from the local level with river and land in this Avon valley.

Centering food, river and land as powerful anchors for reconnecting people to place, this project aims to re-identify humans as 'regenerators’, as active participants in service to the climate and nature crisis we collectively face.

After a year of visioning and development, We Are Avon has launched its first crowd-funder to formalise and activate a number of community engagement projects

This episode conversation was recorded live at the start of April to mark the crowfunder, and a whole range of community engagement invitations over the coming months.

The session was themed around sharing hope and vision for a regenerative future in the Avon bioregion, and this panel represented River, Land, Food and Community movements in the local area with guests - poet and activist Meg Avon from Save Our Avon, Charlotte Sawyer, Director of award winning feature river doc which is blowing up right now Rave on for the Avon, and Hamish Evans, regenerative farmer, prefigurative activist from Middleground Growers who has been the lead instigator for the WAA project and myself as host.

This is a conversation for anyone interested in the health and futures of our land, river and local ecosystems.

For those curious about river and environmental action, community led responses to the climate crisis and different and more creative ways to get involved in bringing life back to the places we call home.

But really it’s a conversation about relationships between humans, communities and the more than human world around us with a focus here on rivers.

The episode also contains ‘messages from the Avon’, daily musings from a River Avon pilgrimage of the last week to mark the crowdfunder launch , as well as some song from Elpha Perkins

If we are to grow true regenerative movements, then engaging communities around rivers and weaving new regenerative cultures from the bottom up will be essential.

Links

Support the Crowdfunder

We Are Avon site

We Are Avon instagram

Rave on for the Avon film

I posted this episode two years ago on this day.

I’m thinking it might have more relevance and be more helpful today to more folks around here.

Context is king and all that.

Maybe as more folks begin to bear witness to this old world imploding, to this civilisational story ending, perhaps we are becoming ready to figure out what work we are being called to do ‘in the ruins’ as Dougald Hine might say.

I would suggest that there is much wisdom to be found in listening to Dougald and he speaks with such honesty, care and humility

I highly recommend reading Dougald’s book - At Work in the Ruins

As I said when I read it in 2023..

“ At Work in the Ruins is a book of wisdom for these times. Times which often feel to me to be full of cleverness that no longer make much sense”

Dougald is co-founder of The Dark Mountain Project.

Co-host of The Great Humbling podcast.

Co-founder of a School called Home in Sweden

And Author of book ‘At Work in the Ruins’ - the focus of this conversation.

Dougald is opening up vital spaces for different types of questions, conversations and invitations to be considered and explored as we face into the unravelling mystery of these times - times of endings.‘

At Work in the Ruins’ is a gift for this moment for those who know intuitively in their heart and gut that many things from 'modernity' need to end.

Now is a time for humility and creative courage, for letting go of stories, ideas, behaviours and systems that no longer serve life and crossing a threshold into imagining what could be and becoming the change.

Introducing the Annual 2024 - and the official Episode 100 of the Spaceship Earth Podcast.

A reflection of the year gone by with a nod to what it might be showing us about the future that is unfolding.

A curation of the highlights of 2024 on the podcast, it features clips, reflections, insights and learnings from many of the episodes.

It’s not exhaustive, not every guest is featured but I’ve included clips that felt to me to be fertile, wise and vital insights for these times we are travelling in.

The Annual features dialogue and clips from:Dan Burgess, David Wendl-Berry, Natasha Lythgoe, Immy Kaur, Bayo Akomolafe, Vanessa Andreotti, Azul Carolina Duque, Dr Rosalind Watts, Dr Stephan Harding, Lily Cole, Adah Parris, Jasmine Qureshi, Hamish Evans, Alnoor Ladha, Lynn Murphy, Sam Lee, Clare Farrell, Paul Powlesland, Dr Wallace J Nichols & Buckminster Fuller ;-)If you’ve never jumped in this could be the one to check out.

So if you are a regular listener I hope this captures some of the highlights for you and you might appreciate the reflections and insights we share.

If you are new to the podcast I hope this gives you a flavour of what we’re doing here and inspires you to dig into these conversations and episodes more deeply and jump into the becoming crew community

We’ve put a lot of time into creating this episode, I recommend putting the headphones on or turning up the speakers.

It's a sonic adventure.

WE have curated these through the following themes which were alive in 2024 and we are carrying into the podcast and the becoming crew offerings for the journey ahead:

1. The importance and possibilities of non-ordinary experiences through nature based rites of passage and rituals

2. Decolonising and growing post-capitalist realities

3. Practice-driven change for ways through the divisiveness and violence of these times

4. Honouring death, grief and composting our s**t as vital regenerative practices

5. Shifting our relationality, seeing the natural world from transactional to sacred

6. Imagining and Re-membering alternative futures

7. The Future is Local - we can network for the rest

8. Centering the young/Intergenerational by Design

9. Now is the Time for Crews

Finally we'd love to hear your thoughts to help us shape the next year of the Spaceship Earth Podcast.

We want to keep crafting the offering to stay useful and relevant in these challenging and emerging times.

Your feedback helps us to understand where folks are at with the podcast in its current form.

It will take about 10 mins of your time and we'd be so grateful for your feedback.

LINKS

Our listener Survey - We’d so value your inputs in helping us shape the next chapter for the Podcast

Into the Dark - Our Winter Community Adventure - Join us

Two winter offerings for you.

Two invitations to step into the dark.

I am not ready to get back to it - whatever it is.

But just beginning to find some slowness and stillness in my body.

After crawling through the portal of the Winter Solstice and into the festiveness of things.

The last two days actually feel like winter here.

The ground is frozen.

The stars shine extraordinary at night.

I can feel a gentle connection in my body with the land around me.

A slow synching.

I’m just starting to feel an interest in reflecting on what was and what might be.

The year gone by and the one beginning.

Just a stirring of curiosity.

Over the last few years I’ve given up setting new year intentions and goals and in and out lists for the start of January.

It just doesn’t feel true to me.

I’m suspicious of the rush to get going.

It smells colonial.

I am always still full.

Of the year that has been

All the contradictions, confusion, joy, grief and possibility,

They’re still there

Quieter and calmer but not yet examined

And given perspective.

And so needing to create space

For reflecting and composting.

What threads to trust, follow and hang onto this year?

What to let go of ?

Preparing the ground for new emergings.

And that can’t happen fast.

With integrity

It needs time.

As winter does.

I struggle with goals in the dark.

And this is dark time.

So I have two winter offerings for you.

Two invitations to step into the dark

The first is this new Earth Sessions mix:

Into the Dark - a deep, slow, wintery, sonic meander, through ambient electronic melancholy into deep house.

Sounds and tracks that I’m finding connection and curiosity with in these darker, colder times of breakdown, reflection, exploration and dreaming towards the light

Tracklist on website

If you walk with it, run with it, sit with it, drive with it, cook with it.

Dance with it.

I hope you enjoy it

The second offering is an invitation to join our next practice community learning adventure which begins 23rd January

Into the Dark

( notice the theme)

This is the third year we’re hosting this journey and it really is a magical adventure.

Personally this has now become the only way to prepare the ground and surface my intentions for the year ahead.

Info and register

Wherever you are I hope you find some peace in these darker times

Episode 99 is a shorter offering with the wise, wonderful and humble Azul Carolina Duque.

Azul is a Colombian artist and educator. Her artistic practice is about relating to embodied sound as a tool for re-membering ourselves out of our collective denials.

These explorations are informed by her training as a musician, a death doula and a clown.

She is also on the path of relating to music as a living entity, as opposed to a product to be consumed.

She is a member of the Gesturing Towards Decolonial Futures (GTDF) collective, which you may recall from Episode 96 with Vanessa Andreotti - author of Hospicing Modernity and co-founder of the collective.

GTDF is a trans-disciplinary multi-generational art/research collective that develops technologies of inquiry through artistic, pedagogical, cartographic, and relational experiments that aim to identify and de-activate colonial habits of being.

GTDF is also about hospicing worlds that are dying within and around us with care and integrity, as well as attention to the lessons these deaths offer, while also assisting with the birth of new and potentially wiser worlds.

This was recorded in my garden in the summer, during a small gathering of West Country crew as Azul was visiting the UK.

This is in my opinion a beautiful taster of the deep, powerful, complex work that Azul and the collective are focussed on with deep humility, honesty and often humour.

Azul speaks to seeing the Earth as a living entity and recognising the entanglement between humans, land and all life.

About the importance of acknowledging and embracing complexity, including the uncomfortable and painful aspects of our current reality and the relational and cognitive challenges we are facing.

She speaks to modernity and colonialism as forces of separation, the dis-ease of separation, urging a shift towards relational approaches developed alongside indigenous knowledge.

Azul emphasises the significance of composting work, both internally and externally, sitting with the s**t so that we process properly and don’t continue to pass it down to the next generation.

She also speaks to the critical role of elders, rites of passage, and the transition between life stages in fostering a sense of service and responsibility to life on Earth.

The conversation also includes some beautiful questions from crew who had gathered in the garden on what was a sweltering hot afternoon.

So I hope you enjoy this, Azul is in my opinion a remarkable human, and a wonderful storyteller as you will hear, carrying vast wisdom beyond her years, and shows up with great humility and compassion and playfulness , dedicating her young life to this work

We are very lucky to have her on board Spaceship Earth.

LINKS

https://decolonialfutures.net/

https://decolonialfutures.net/hospicingmodernity/

Into the Dark - 5 week community winter adventure with Becoming Crew