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A farewell party invitation from Amy’s former office becomes the starting point for a wider conversation between Amy and Meg about the boundaries between personal and professional relationships. As they reflect on Amy’s decision whether to attend, they examine how different cultures interpret workplace ties—and how professional connections can blur into deeply personal ones.

They explore how relationships built through work carry emotional weight, especially in environments where personal rapport is expected to sustain professional collaboration. Amy reflects on the tension between maintaining connections, preserving integrity, and navigating expectations of loyalty that can reframe coworkers as “family.” Meg considers how, in many American workplaces, professional relationships are designed to stay clean and transactional—shake hands, exchange LinkedIn recommendations, and move on.

Amy highlights a broader shift happening in China: as more services become accessible and tasks more easily outsourced, people are increasingly re-evaluating the emotional cost of maintaining personal ties within professional spaces. What once felt necessary for advancement or belonging is now being questioned.

The conversation turns inward as Amy shares what it feels like to be in a career transition. In cultures where introductions often begin with what you do, stepping away from a defined role can feel destabilizing—and for some, even shameful. Meg echoes this, reflecting on how when work becomes the primary measure of identity, professional change can feel unexpectedly dehumanizing.

Yet the episode also finds moments of grounding outside of work. Amy recounts officiating a close friend’s wedding in Hawaii and discovering that showing up for the people she loves can feel more meaningful than any professional achievement. Both hosts reflect on the quiet importance of daily rhythms during uncertain times—job searching, caring for your health, tending to relationships—while making space to acknowledge that it’s possible to feel both steady and unsettled at the same time.

Through the lens of one invitation, Amy and Meg arrive at a larger question: When a professional relationship ends, what remains—and how much of who we are should ever be tied to the work we do?

一封来自Amy前公司的告别派对邀请，成为了Amy与Meg展开深度对话的起点——关于个人关系与职业关系之间的边界。在她们共同探讨Amy是否赴约这一决定的过程中，两人审视了不同文化对职场关系的解读，以及职业联系如何在不知不觉间演变为深层的个人情感纽带。

她们探讨了职场中建立的关系所承载的情感重量，尤其是在那些将个人情谊视为维系工作合作必要条件之一的环境中。Amy反思了维系联系、坚守自我与应对忠诚期待之间的张力——这种期待有时会将同事重新定义为”家人”。Meg则思考了在许多美国职场中，职业关系被设计成保持清晰与交易性的状态——握手、互换领英推荐，然后各自前行。

Amy点出了中国正在发生的一种更广泛的转变：随着越来越多的服务变得触手可及、任务更易外包，人们开始重新审视在职业空间中维持个人情感联结的代价。曾经被视为晋升或归属感所必需的东西，如今正受到越来越多的质疑。

随着对话深入内心，Amy分享了身处职业过渡期的真实感受。在那些社交场合中往往以职业开场的文化里，离开一个明确的角色可能令人感到迷失方向——对某些人而言，甚至带来一种羞耻感。Meg对此深有共鸣，她反思道：当工作成为衡量身份的主要标准时，职业上的变动可能会带来一种意想不到的”去人性化”体验。

然而，这期节目也在工作之外找到了一些让人心安的时刻。Amy回忆起在夏威夷为一位挚友主持婚礼的经历，并发现为自己在乎的人真正到场，有时比任何职业成就都更有意义。两位主播都谈到了在不确定时期保持日常节奏的重要性——求职、关注自身健康、珍视身边的关系——同时也为自己留出空间，承认一个人完全可以在同一时刻既感到稳定，又感到动荡。

透过一封邀请函的视角，Amy与Meg共同抵达了一个更深的问题：当一段职业关系走到尽头，留下来的是什么——而我们究竟应该将多少自我，寄托在我们所做的工作之上？

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As the Western New Year and the Chinese New Year pass, the two hosts take a moment to look back on the moments from 2025 that they are proud of. For Meg, the year was defined by becoming a mother and navigating the physical, emotional, and mental shifts that came with it—and reconsidering what work, creativity, and personal space now look like in this new stage of life. For Amy, the year involved a different kind of transition: adjusting to sudden career changes while learning to accept her own strengths and values without trying to reshape herself to meet every external expectation.

Continuing the conversation from the previous episode, Amy speaks candidly about the humbling process of searching for her next role. As she works through uncertainty and the pressure to define long-term goals, she reflects on a quieter realization: Knowing who you are often matters more than constantly trying to reinvent yourself. Meg offers a perspective drawn from her experience with motherhood: Life rarely allows for a perfectly mapped plan. Instead, she suggests focusing on the next best step available at the moment.

Together, they discuss routines that keep them grounded, the challenge of navigating transitions, and the idea that growth is often less about dramatic breakthroughs and more about persistence. Because at the end of the day, success is not defined by doing everything right the first time, but by what Amy describes as the “bounce-back rate”—how quickly and how often you are able to recover and continue moving forward.

随着元旦与春节相继而过，两位主播回望2025年中那些让她们感到自豪的时刻。对于Meg来说，这一年因初为人母而被重新定义——她不仅要适应身体、情感与心理上的种种变化，还要重新思考：在这个全新的人生阶段，工作、创造力与个人空间究竟意味着什么。对于Amy来说，这一年则是另一种转变：在突如其来的职业变动中调整方向，同时学着接纳自己的优势与价值观，而不是不断改变自己去迎合外界的期待。

延续上一期的话题，Amy坦诚地讲述了求职过程中那段令人谦卑的经历。在面对不确定性与定义长期目标的压力时，她慢慢意识到：清楚地知道自己是谁，往往比不断尝试重塑自己更重要。Meg则从自己的母职经历出发，分享了她的看法——生活很少允许我们按照完美的计划前行。与其执着于宏大的蓝图，不如专注于当下能判断出来的，最直接，也是目前最好的选择。

两人共同探讨了那些让她们保持稳定的日常习惯、在人生过渡期中前行的挑战，以及一个共同的感悟：成长往往不是来自戏剧性的突破，而是源于日复一日的坚持。因为成功不在于第一次就做对一切，而在于Amy所说的”反弹率”——你能多快、多频繁地从跌倒中恢复，然后继续向前。

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After receiving the unexpected news that this chapter in her career was closing, the only promise Amy made to herself was that she would show up for herself every day until the day her badge no longer worked. This is what she looked like the very next day, immediately after receiving the news.

在得知这一突如其来的变动后，Amy 对自己许下的唯一承诺，就是在工牌失效之前的每一天，都要穿得漂漂亮亮。这张照片拍摄于她得知自己不得不与工作了8年的地方告别的第二天。

After returning from Beijing following her wedding, Amy closed an eight-year chapter in her first long-term, formal role—one she entered in her early twenties and grew within, advancing across levels as her skills and responsibilities expanded.

It wasn’t her only job, but it was the first place where a career truly took shape. In a fast-moving world where longevity is rare, staying and growing within one institution for that long created both depth and attachment. Having to leave on immediate notice forced an unplanned pause. For the first time, Amy took a clear-eyed look at her professional journey—what she built, what she learned, and what she postponed in exchange for continuity.

What emerged wasn’t a lack of options, but an abundance of them.

With constraints lifted and priorities reshuffled, she found herself ready to pursue work aligned with her values rather than driven by past momentum. The transition was destabilizing and humbling, marked by self-doubt and the quiet disappearance of people she once assumed would stay. But it also clarified who showed up, how tightly identity can be bound to role and institution, and how short-term security can quietly limit long-term growth.

Looking back, Amy is deeply grateful for what those eight years gave her—and equally clear that leaving was necessary. This wasn’t an ending so much as a redirection to a path she might have taken earlier, had timing and perspective aligned. Youth may be wasted on the young, but clarity comes later. Now, she’s choosing deliberately how to live and work.

婚礼结束、从北京返回之后，Amy 被迫和自己第一份正式的工作告了别。那是一份她二十出头就开始干的工作。在这份工作的见证下她收获了成长，也锻炼了能力。过去的八年时光或许漫长，但是告别却来得措手不及。

这并不是Amy唯一的一份工作，但这里是她“职业生涯”真正成形的地方。在一个高速变化、长期投入愈发稀缺的时代，在同一机构中持续成长，既带来了人脉和技能的积累，也让Amy产生了依赖感。而一次突如其来的辞退，迫使她按下暂停键。她第一次如此清晰地回顾自己的职业路径：她建立了一个什么样的办公室、她从这个过程中学到了什么，以及，为了想象中的稳定，她搁置了哪些可能。

当外在限制被解除、人生优先级被重新排列，Amy发现自己终于准备好去选择那些真正与她价值观契合的工作，而不再被过往的惯性所推动。这段转型过程充满不安，也令人谦卑：自我怀疑悄然出现，一些原本以为会留下的人突然消失。但同时，这些变化也让Amy看清了谁是真正的朋友、自我认同到底是否该绑定于职位与机构之上，以及短期安全感是如何在不知不觉中限制长期成长的。

回头看，Amy 对这八年所带来的一切心怀感激，也同样笃定：离开是必要的。这不是终点，而是一条也许早该走上的分岔路——只是现在，时间与视角终于对齐了。青春或许常被浪费在年轻人的身上，但清醒早晚有一天会到来。而此刻，她终于安心地开始有意识地选择如何生活。

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In this episode, Meg and Amy continue to document life as it unfolds. They sit down to catch up on everything that’s changed—most notably, Meg’s transition into motherhood and her first trip back to China with her baby, alongside other major personal shifts happening quietly but profoundly in the background.

This conversation explores what it really means to become a mother—not just the love and wonder, but the identity shift, the loss of time and space, and the fierce protectiveness that emerges when you’re suddenly responsible for another human. Meg shares raw reflections on feeling invisible, navigating boundaries, and experiencing what she calls “micro mom-gressions.”

In particular, she shares a powerful story from the airport that perfectly captures how unsupported mothers can feel in public spaces—and how one small act of kindness can change everything.

The conversation continues with the mental load of motherhood, postpartum rage, and why this anger isn’t a personal failing but a rational response to a world not designed for babies or the people caring for them. There’s also space for nuance: motherhood as “type two fun,” the kind of hard that’s deeply meaningful and rewarding, even when it stretches you to your limits.

The episode ends with a reflection on identity—whether Meg misses her old self, how constraint brings clarity, and how becoming someone new doesn’t erase who you were before.

Like a real-life Freaky Friday, this episode is about transformation, empathy, and learning how to move through change with more grace, awareness, and care for one another.

在这一期节目中，Meg 和 Amy 继续记录和分享着她们各自的生活。两位主播聊了聊这段时间里发生的各种事情和变化。在这其中最为显著的变化是 Meg 成为了一位母亲。Meg细聊了成为母亲后的生理心理变化，以及她带着宝宝第一次重返中国的经历和旅程。

这次对话深入探讨了“成为母亲”这四个字到底意味着什么——这四个字不仅饱含着爱与惊喜，还有身份的剧烈转变、时间与空间在不自觉中的悄悄流失，以及当你突然要为另一个生命负责时所涌现出的强烈保护欲。Meg 坦诚分享了自己感到被忽视、以及学习如何设立边界的经历。Meg还分享了她感受到成为妈妈后，自己时不时会产生得作为母亲的“对外敌意”（micro mom-gressions）。一个发生在机场的故事，生动地展现了母亲在公共空间中多么容易感到缺乏支持——以及一个小小的善举如何改变一切。

她们谈到了母职所带来的心理负担、产后愤怒，以及为什么这种愤怒并非个人失败，而是对一个并未为婴儿或照顾他们的人而设计的世界所作出的正常理性反应。同时，节目也为细腻的复杂性留出了空间：把母亲身份视为“第二类乐趣（type two fun）”——那种艰难却意义深远、充满回报的体验——即便这种丰富的体验会把你拉伸到极限。

节目最后回到“身份”的主题——Meg 是否怀念过去的自己，以及接受一个新的角色并不意味着抹去曾经的你这个事实。

就像现实版的《辣妈辣妹》，这一期节目关于转变、共情，以及学习如何以更多的敏感、觉察和彼此关怀去平安度过生命中不同的变化阶段。

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If this podcast means something to you, it would mean so much to us if you’d be willing to take 30 seconds to do each or all of these three things. First, can you please follow or subscribe to The Spark Podcast? Following The Spark Podcast helps you because you’ll never miss an episode. And it helps us because you’ll never miss an episode. To do this, just go to The Spark Podcast show page on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts, and then just tap the plus sign in the upper right-hand corner or click on follow. This is the most important thing for The Spark. While you’re there, if you’d be willing to give us a five star rating and review and share an episode you loved with a friend, we would be so grateful. We appreciate you very much. Thank you for being here.

如果你喜欢这个播客，且愿意花30秒钟做以下这三件事中的任意一件事情，那对我们来说都非常举足轻重。

首先，请你关注或订阅《The Spark Podcast》。关注《The Spark Podcast》会让你第一时间了解我们的动态，这样你不会错过任何一集节目。关注我们，给我们留言，也可以让我们更加了解你。我们会认真阅读每一条评论，并且认真做出回复。

想和我们保持联系和文字交流，只需前往Apple Podcasts、Spotify或你习惯听播客的任何平台，寻找“The Spark Podcast by Meg and Amy 火花电台”的节目页面，然后点击右上角的加号或关注按钮即可。这是对于The Spark Podcast火花电台最重要的事情。

如果你愿意给我们一个五星评级，并邀请朋友分享你喜欢的一集节目，我们会非常感激！

感谢你一直以来的支持。是你们的存在，让我们知道火花再小，也可以无比璀璨。

In this episode, Meg and Amy dive deep into Amy’s journey to love, commitment, and celebration — from her engagement story to her beautifully unconventional 3-day wedding in Beijing.

Amy shares how she met her husband while studying abroad in Tel Aviv, their years navigating long-distance challenges, and her parents’ eventual acceptance of her cross-cultural relationship. She reflects on how her view of marriage evolved — from seeing it as a social contract to embracing it as a meaningful bond rooted in love, trust, and balance.

Amy takes you behind the scenes of Amy’s wedding weekend, a cross-cultural celebration that brought together friends and family from China, Japan, and the U.S. From courtyard dinners and photo booths to karaoke and high tea at the Summer Palace, Amy paints a vivid picture of what it means to create a wedding that feels personal, intentional, and deeply joyful.

Meg and Amy close the conversation by reflecting on their own wedding experiences — Meg’s intimate pandemic ceremony and Amy’s cross-cultural fusion — and discuss the evolving meaning of modern marriage in a world that values both individuality and togetherness.

在本期节目中，Meg 和 Amy 深入探讨了 Amy 从爱情、承诺到婚姻的旅程——从订婚故事到她那场在北京别具一格的三天婚礼。

Amy 分享了她在特拉维夫留学期间如何遇见丈夫的故事，他们短暂异地恋的挑战，以及她父母最终如何接受这段跨文化的感情。她回顾了自己对婚姻观念的转变——从最初将其视为一种社会契约，到如今将婚姻看作是建立在爱、信任与平衡之上的深刻的灵魂交流。

Amy 带领听众走进她婚礼庆典的幕后，这是一场融合了中、美、日三国亲友的跨文化盛会。从庭院晚宴、拍照留念到卡拉 OK 以及颐和园的下午茶，Amy 生动描绘了一个充满个人特色、用心设计、并洋溢着喜悦的她心目中的完美婚礼是什么样子。

节目最后，Meg 与 Amy 一同回顾了各自的婚礼经历——Meg 的疫情时期小型婚礼与 Amy 的跨文化融合庆典——并探讨了在当今重视个性与连结并行的世界中，“现代婚姻”的意义如何不断演变。

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If this podcast means something to you, it would mean so much to us if you’d be willing to take 30 seconds to do each or all of these three things. First, can you please follow or subscribe to The Spark Podcast? Following The Spark Podcast helps you because you’ll never miss an episode. And it helps us because you’ll never miss an episode. To do this, just go to The Spark Podcast show page on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts, and then just tap the plus sign in the upper right-hand corner or click on follow. This is the most important thing for The Spark. While you’re there, if you’d be willing to give us a five star rating and review and share an episode you loved with a friend, we would be so grateful. We appreciate you very much. Thank you for being here.

如果你喜欢这个播客，且愿意花30秒钟做以下这三件事中的任意一件事情，那对我们来说都非常举足轻重。

首先，请你关注或订阅《The Spark Podcast》。关注《The Spark Podcast》会让你第一时间了解我们的动态，这样你不会错过任何一集节目。关注我们，给我们留言，也可以让我们更加了解你。我们会认真阅读每一条评论，并且认真做出回复。

想和我们保持联系和文字交流，只需前往Apple Podcasts、Spotify或你习惯听播客的任何平台，寻找“The Spark Podcast by Meg and Amy 火花电台”的节目页面，然后点击右上角的加号或关注按钮即可。这是对于The Spark Podcast火花电台最重要的事情。

如果你愿意给我们一个五星评级，并邀请朋友分享你喜欢的一集节目，我们会非常感激！

感谢你一直以来的支持。是你们的存在，让我们知道火花再小，也可以无比璀璨。

After an eight-month pause, Amy and Meg are back behind the mic—this time with a lot of life to catch up on. In this episode, they share personal updates, swap stories, and reflect on what it means to grow and redefine success in the middle of big life transitions.

Amy opens up about her recent marriage and the unexpected turns of being laid off, while Meg shares her journey into motherhood after welcoming her daughter in February. Together, they look back on the milestones they missed in each other’s lives—weddings, celebrations, and big changes—but also the ways they’ve supported each other through it all.

The conversation winds through wedding reminiscences, the joy and grief of missed moments, and how their podcast journey over the past six years mirrors their own evolutions. Meg gets candid about the bittersweet tug between her old self and new role as a mother, while Amy reflects on career transitions, creative outlets, and building a future filled with purpose.

🎙 久等了！Amy 和 Meg 回来了！

暂停八个月后，她们再次相聚在麦克风前。这次，两位主播可不仅仅聊了近况更新，更是分享了她们人生中近期的翻天覆地的变化——婚礼、初为人母、职业转型，还有错过与陪伴。

在这一期里：

* Amy 会分享她最近的婚礼故事，以及被裁员后意想不到的生活转折；

* Meg 会聊聊今年二月迎来女儿后，自己从“原来的我”到“新手妈妈”的心路历程。

她们会一起回顾彼此错过的重要时刻——婚礼、庆祝、生活的大事件——也会聊到在这一切变化中，如何一直互相支持、彼此鼓励。

你会听到婚礼趣事、错过瞬间的喜与忧，以及她们六年播客旅程与各自成长的交织。无论你正在经历人生的哪个阶段，这期对话都会让你感到温暖、共鸣、甚至被鼓舞。

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喜马拉雅: The Spark Podcast 火花电台

网易云音乐:The Spark Podcast 火花电台

If this podcast means something to you, it would mean so much to us if you’d be willing to take 30 seconds to do each or all of these three things. First, can you please follow or subscribe to The Spark Podcast? Following The Spark Podcast helps you because you’ll never miss an episode. And it helps us because you’ll never miss an episode. To do this, just go to The Spark Podcast show page on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts, and then just tap the plus sign in the upper right-hand corner or click on follow. This is the most important thing for The Spark. While you’re there, if you’d be willing to give us a five star rating and review and share an episode you loved with a friend, we would be so grateful. We appreciate you very much. Thank you for being here.

如果你喜欢这个播客，且愿意花30秒钟做以下这三件事中的任意一件事情，那对我们来说都非常举足轻重。

首先，请你关注或订阅《The Spark Podcast》。关注《The Spark Podcast》会让你第一时间了解我们的动态，这样你不会错过任何一集节目。关注我们，给我们留言，也可以让我们更加了解你。我们会认真阅读每一条评论，并且认真做出回复。

想和我们保持联系和文字交流，只需前往Apple Podcasts、Spotify或你习惯听播客的任何平台，寻找“The Spark Podcast by Meg and Amy 火花电台”的节目页面，然后点击右上角的加号或关注按钮即可。这是对于The Spark Podcast火花电台最重要的事情。

如果你愿意给我们一个五星评级，并邀请朋友分享你喜欢的一集节目，我们会非常感激！

感谢你一直以来的支持。是你们的存在，让我们知道火花再小，也可以无比璀璨。

在我们上一次面对面录制的节目中（在Amy离开蒙大拿之前），我们回顾了在山中共度的时光，以及我们各自的2024年。此外，我们还讨论了创作障碍，Meg分享了她克服这些障碍的方法。Amy讲述了她在面对遴选困难时的叛逆精神，以及她挑选书籍影音的过程，这引发了我们对大大小小的决策进行了更广泛的讨论。点击听取更多内容！

In our last episode recorded in-person before Amy left Montana, we reflect on our time together in the mountains and 2024. Plus, we also talk about creative blocks and Meg shares something that’s helped her push past them. Amy shares a genius act of rebellion and her process of picking out a library book, which leads us to a larger conversation about making decisions big and small - and much more.

If you’re reading this in your inbox or on Substack, yay! If you’re not, you can join us on Substack here - where you’ll be the first to know about every new episode and update.

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Himalaya: The Spark Podcast 火花电台

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小宇宙: The Spark Podcast （赵枣Amy_火花）

喜马拉雅: The Spark Podcast 火花电台

网易云音乐:The Spark Podcast 火花电台

If this podcast means something to you, it would mean so much to us if you’d be willing to take 30 seconds to do each or all of these three things. First, can you please follow or subscribe to The Spark Podcast? Following The Spark Podcast helps you because you’ll never miss an episode. And it helps us because you’ll never miss an episode. To do this, just go to The Spark Podcast show page on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts, and then just tap the plus sign in the upper right-hand corner or click on follow. This is the most important thing for The Spark. While you’re there, if you’d be willing to give us a five star rating and review and share an episode you loved with a friend, we would be so grateful. We appreciate you very much. Thank you for being here.

如果你喜欢这个播客，如果你愿意花30秒钟做以下这三件事中的任意一件事情，那对我们来说都非常举足轻重。首先，请你关注或订阅《The Spark Podcast》。关注《The Spark Podcast》会让你第一时间了解我们的动态，这样你不会错过任何一集节目。关注我们，给我们留言，也可以让我们更加了解你。我们会认真阅读每一条评论，并且认真做出回复。

想和我们保持联系和文字交流，只需前往Apple Podcasts、Spotify或你习惯听播客的任何平台，寻找“The Spark Podcast by Meg and Amy 火花电台”的节目页面，然后点击右上角的加号或关注按钮即可。这是对于The Spark Podcast火花电台最重要的事情。如果你愿意给我们一个五星评级，并邀请朋友分享你喜欢的一集节目，我们会非常感激！感谢你一直以来的支持。是你们的存在，让我们知道火花再小，也可以无比璀璨。

We’re back behind the mic after quite a hiatus (we’ve both had A LOT going on since May)! This first episode back marks a particularly special one though, because it’s the first episode we’ve EVER recorded in person. So, we ceremoniously recorded this one on Winter Solstice, around a campfire in Meg’s backyard in Montana, and took part in a Winter Solstice ritual that could just as easily be a New Year’s Eve ritual.

Before we hit record, we wrote down a few things we’re each letting go of in the new year on little squares of paper. Then, we hit record to share one-by-one what we each wrote down and why. After every share, a cathartic toss in the fire as we look ahead to 2025.

自五月以来，我们俩的生活都发生了很多事情。在经历了相当长的一段空档期后，火花电台的主播们终于重新回到了话筒前！不过，这次回归的第一期节目尤为特别，因为这是我们第一次面对面录制节目。因此，我们特意选择了冬至这一天，在蒙大拿州Meg家的后院围着篝火录制了这期节目。在这期节目中，Meg和Amy共同参与了一场“冬至仪式”，以这样一个特殊的方式跨年。

在录音开始前，我们分别在小纸片上写下了新的一年中我们想要放下的事情。然后，我们打开录音设备，逐一分享了自己写下的内容以及背后的原因。每分享完一件，就将纸片投进篝火中，借此展望和祈福即将到来的2025。

If you’re reading this in your inbox or on Substack, yay! If you’re not, you can join us on Substack here - where you’ll be the first to know about every new episode and update.

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小宇宙: The Spark Podcast （赵枣Amy_火花）

喜马拉雅: The Spark Podcast 火花电台

网易云音乐:The Spark Podcast 火花电台

If this podcast means something to you, it would mean so much to us if you’d be willing to take 30 seconds to do each or all of these three things. First, can you please follow or subscribe to The Spark Podcast? Following The Spark Podcast helps you because you’ll never miss an episode. And it helps us because you’ll never miss an episode. To do this, just go to The Spark Podcast show page on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts, and then just tap the plus sign in the upper right-hand corner or click on follow. This is the most important thing for The Spark. While you’re there, if you’d be willing to give us a five star rating and review and share an episode you loved with a friend, we would be so grateful. We appreciate you very much. Thank you for being here.

如果你喜欢这个播客，如果你愿意花30秒钟做以下这三件事中的任意一件事情，那对我们来说都非常举足轻重。首先，请你关注或订阅《The Spark Podcast》。关注《The Spark Podcast》会让你第一时间了解我们的动态，这样你不会错过任何一集节目。关注我们，给我们留言，也可以让我们更加了解你。我们会认真阅读每一条评论，并且认真做出回复。

想和我们保持联系和文字交流，只需前往Apple Podcasts、Spotify或你习惯听播客的任何平台，寻找“The Spark Podcast by Meg and Amy 火花电台”的节目页面，然后点击右上角的加号或关注按钮即可。这是对于The Spark Podcast火花电台最重要的事情。如果你愿意给我们一个五星评级，并邀请朋友分享你喜欢的一集节目，我们会非常感激！感谢你一直以来的支持。是你们的存在，让我们知道火花再小，也可以无比璀璨。

We first had Alex Kim on The Spark in July of 2022 - go back and listen to episode 31 if you haven’t already.

Last time we talked, we delved into the incredible work he’s doing to get the BIPOC community outside with Here Montana. To this day, it is one of our most listened-to and engaged-with episodes. Not just because of the work he’s doing with Here Montana, but also because of his personal story and what he shared with us about his own identity as a Korean-American.

There are a lot of people who share his identity and experience and are seeking community around it. We believe they found it in his episode. So, when we heard that Alex is headed to visit South Korea for the very first time - the place where his family is from, we thought it would be powerful to capture his thoughts as he gets ready to set out on such a personal trip.

Take a listen to hear Alex speak candidly about the exciting new chapter he’s beginning in his life that coincides with this monumental trip, and explore with him as we discuss what we move forward with in our lives and what we leave behind - all with the knowing that we before we try and heal others, we have to heal ourselves.

When Alex returns, he’s going to sit back down with us in a part two to this episode, where we’ll capture all the stories he’ll have to tell.

In the meantime, follow along with Alex on Instagram @atkpics and keep up with the work he’s doing with Here Montana @here_montana.

If you’re reading this in your inbox or on Substack, yay! If you’re not, you can join us on Substack here - where you’ll be the first to know about every new episode and update.

And be sure to follow along with us on…

Instagram: @spark_podcast

WeChat: TheSparkPodcast

Little Universe: The Spark Podcast （赵枣Amy_火花）

Himalaya: The Spark Podcast 火花电台

NetEase:The Spark Podcast 火花电台

如果你是通过Substack的邮件而了解到我们的播客，欢迎你且祝贺你找到了联系我们的最佳渠道！

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Instagram: @spark_podcast

微信公众号: TheSparkPodcast

小宇宙: The Spark Podcast （赵枣Amy_火花）

喜马拉雅: The Spark Podcast 火花电台

网易云音乐:The Spark Podcast 火花电台

If this podcast means something to you, it would mean so much to us if you’d be willing to take 30 seconds to do each or all of these three things. First, can you please follow or subscribe to The Spark Podcast? Following The Spark Podcast helps you because you’ll never miss an episode. And it helps us because you’ll never miss an episode. To do this, just go to The Spark Podcast show page on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts, and then just tap the plus sign in the upper right-hand corner or click on follow. This is the most important thing for The Spark. While you’re there, if you’d be willing to give us a five star rating and review and share an episode you loved with a friend, we would be so grateful. We appreciate you very much. Thank you for being here.

如果你喜欢这个播客，如果你愿意花30秒钟做以下这三件事中的任意一件事情，那对我们来说都非常举足轻重。首先，请你关注或订阅《The Spark Podcast》。关注《The Spark Podcast》会让你第一时间了解我们的动态，这样你不会错过任何一集节目。关注我们，给我们留言，也可以让我们更加了解你。我们会认真阅读每一条评论，并且认真做出回复。

想和我们保持联系和文字交流，只需前往Apple Podcasts、Spotify或你习惯听播客的任何平台，寻找“The Spark Podcast by Meg and Amy 火花电台”的节目页面，然后点击右上角的加号或关注按钮即可。这是对于The Spark Podcast火花电台最重要的事情。如果你愿意给我们一个五星评级，并邀请朋友分享你喜欢的一集节目，我们会非常感激！感谢你一直以来的支持。是你们的存在，让我们知道火花再小，也可以无比璀璨。

Disclaimer: On April 16th, Amy had the opportunity to finally have lunch with her mentor, the former president of NYU.

On the night of the Year of the Dragon New Year’s Eve, Amy found herself in tears while FaceTiming her parents. In this episode, she continues the conversation from our previous installment, sharing her mix of anxieties and excitement surrounding her first significant promotion. As she transitions into this new role, Amy begins to grasp the deeper value of quality work: taking responsibility doesn't just mean excelling at your tasks; it means enabling and supporting others to succeed.

What people say when you're not in the room? Through their learning and growth, Amy and Meg both realize that becoming the people they admired in their youth requires immense effort— it's not the other way around. Join us as we explore the journey and insights into personal and professional growth.

声明：4月16日，Amy 终于有机会与她的导师——纽约大学前校长共进午餐。

在龙年除夕之夜，Amy 一边与父母视频通话，一边哭得梨花带雨。在本集中，她延续了上一集的对话，分享了她在人生中第一次得到重要晋升，和与之而来的焦虑和兴奋之情。随着她步入新角色，Amy 开始领悟领导力的深层意义：领导需要承担责任。而承担责任不仅意味着出色完成自己的任务，更意味着帮助他人取得成功。

当你不在场时人们会怎么评价你？在学习和成长的过程中，Amy 和 Meg 都意识到成为年轻时仰慕的人需要付出巨大的努力。请加入我们，在这集中一起探索个人和职业成长的历程！

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如果你喜欢这个播客，如果你愿意花30秒钟做以下这三件事中的任意一件事情，那对我们来说都非常举足轻重。首先，请你关注或订阅《The Spark Podcast》。关注《The Spark Podcast》会让你第一时间了解我们的动态，这样你不会错过任何一集节目。关注我们，给我们留言，也可以让我们更加了解你。我们会认真阅读每一条评论，并且认真做出回复。

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