Quick Summary
Eric and Jared try to make sense of the Cleveland Browns, front office dysfunction across the NFL, and why every fan base believes they suffer more than anyone else. Baker, Stafford, Shadur, the 49ers, Vegas lines, billionaire owners, and the eternal misery of the Vikings all make an appearance.
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Chapters
00:00 — Browns in a simulation: If Cleveland is 12–0 and undefeated Carolina exists, you’re probably dreaming.
00:50 — NFL fan misery rankings: Vikings, Browns, Bills… who actually has it worst?
02:40 — Missed kicks, cursed teams, and broken timelines: From Gary Anderson to Dante Culpepper.
04:10 — Is it all the front office’s fault?: And does “blow it up” ever work?
05:20 — Billionaire owners & the weird economics of NFL success: They win even when the team doesn’t.
06:45 — Baker, Stafford & the QB comparison spiral: Why Stafford throws lasers and Baker throws… effort.
08:00 — The Shadur Sanders paradox: Social media hype vs. reality vs. development.
09:30 — Browns upcoming schedule: 49ers, Titans, Bears, Bills — and the eternal pain cycle.
11:20 — “Bet the Browns, lose the spread”: Why Cleveland is 5–6 ATS and still maddening.
TL;DR
The Browns are confusing, the Vikings are cursed, owners are billionaires who always win, Shadur Sanders has promise but not proof yet, and betting Cleveland still hurts. Fans everywhere live in the same delusion: “nobody has it worse than us.”
Other Topics We Hit
The Vikings’ most traumatic momentsWhy owners are built like a different speciesWest coast teams traveling east: real disadvantage or Reddit myth?The cult of QB hype via viral “dot throws”Why every NFL fan base thinks their suffering is uniqueThe job market — because why notWhy Listen
Because you want NFL takes without the clichés — just two Gen-X lunatics trying to decode the Browns and the universe.
FAQ
Q: Why do the Browns continue to struggle despite talent?
Front office instability and questionable decision-making — plus a culture that hasn’t fully reset.
Q: Are the Vikings or Browns the more cursed franchise?
Depends on your trauma profile. Vikings lose big moments; Browns lose everything else.
Q: Why is Shadur Sanders so polarizing?
Social media hype + limited NFL sample + Deion effect = unstable QB stock.
Q: Do NFL owner billions matter on the field?
Not really — salary cap levels the roster. But ego drives decisions.
Q: Why is betting the Browns so painful?
They’re 5–6 ATS — slightly better than their record, still emotionally ruinous.
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1. Intro: Why This Segment Exists
Eric and Jared set up the idea of doing a sports-only segment and dropping it on SportsEpreneur.
[00:00:00] eric: Welcome to Saviors of the Metaverse, the podcast that saves and definitely entertains. You are listening to this show on a unrelated, yet unrelated podcast to get all the episodes of Saviors and to become a Saviors super fan. Search for saviors of the Metaverse on your podcast player of choice. Once there, I don’t know, subscribe.
And while you’re at it, give it a rating because well, Jared needs confirmation. Jared needs affirmation. Jared needs Savior Nation. And if nothing else, thank you for listening to Saviors of the Metaverse. We’ll see you in there. Cleveland Browns future. This is our sports segment. We need one of these. I’ll explain why later.
We’re gonna drop this shit on sports entrepreneur. It can do well. It’s gonna get us recognition anyway. Fine. We need a sports sports segment anytime around. But it could be any take. It doesn’t matter.
2. Browns in a Simulation
The hypothetical: Browns 12–0, Panthers undefeated, dream logic.
[00:01:00] Okay. Future. We’re in a dystopian, or, I don’t know what you call this shit, what you call it, A simulation.
Sure. Fast forward. Yep. You’re still with it. Yep. You still got your capabilities, your faculties in order. Faculty still? Yep. Yeah. You’d like to eat a little bit. You like to check out some stuff. Cleveland Browns are here. Late November going to Thanksgiving. But you got time. They’re like undefeated. Oh, whoa.
Okay. They’re 12 and oh. Coming to Carolina, who somehow is also undefeated. Oh, someone offered you tickets. I mean, this just hurts my head. You don’t even have to pay for the tickets. Good seats. That’s 50 yard, nine seats. Yeah. 26 up. Yeah. You go in the game. Are you gonna watch at home?
[00:01:43] jared: Well, it depends on how soon I wake up from my dream, because, uh, there’s no fucking way any of that would ever happen.
3. NFL Pain Hierarchy: Browns, Vikings, Bills
Every fan base thinks they suffer the most.
[00:01:51] jared: So maybe I do, maybe I don’t, maybe I fly to the game with my magical cape because the Browns being 12 and Oh, I mean, let’s be honest, Carolina, I mean, they went to the Super [00:02:00] Bowl,
[00:02:02] jared: Twice. Okay. That’s not that. It’s just like, hey, they’re just having, they’re stuck in a rut.
[00:02:06] eric: They won the A FFL Championship. They were legit.
[00:02:09] jared: Who won the AFL
[00:02:10] eric: champion? Cleveland Browns. Before the, uh, before the merger. They were one of the besties Before, yeah,
[00:02:15] jared: before there was a Super Bowl. They were, they were good. Yeah. Super Bowl comes along and ruins it. Yeah. Something happened.
[00:02:20] eric: Yeah. The Ravens won though.
[00:02:24] eric: Yeah, because that used to be the Browns like the greatest defense ever. 2000.
[00:02:28] jared: You know, the Browns do have a great defensive line. They have a terrible offensive. More importantly, the Browns have a terrible front office and the decision making in that organization just seems to be the shittiest ever.
[00:02:38] eric: is this a situation where like a lot of teams have bad front offices, they’re really mad funny. There’s the rounds funny. So if I get onto social media, so our sports entrepreneur, ex account, Uhhuh and just get in the comments and shit. Yeah. And like Vikings fans are like ready to just destroy everything.
They were 13 and through four, whatever they were. They were really good last year. Yeah. Made it lost in the playoffs. Kind of got blasted I think by Detroit. Vikings fans and then they go and take [00:03:00] the quarterback and who’s a second year player and he’s just Shit the bed. Yeah. Every possible way. They’re just like, what are we, so they’re over it.
Like, blow it up. Mm-hmm. Start over. Like, we were so close last year. Yeah. To this year, it’s over. So there’s a lot of organizations that feel that way. So is the move to then say the front office is fucked, start over. Or like, would it matter for an organization like the Browns or the Vik? ’cause the Vikings fans would be like, no one’s ever felt like us before.
This is us. The Vikings have lost a lot of Super Bowls. Sure. They’ve missed out. They lost to Atlanta. Yeah. That was a one year they lost to Atlanta the year Denver won the first or second Super Bowl with la. Mm-hmm. They missed a field goal and that team was really fucking good. Dante Cole Pepper, shit like the Robert Smith, Chris Carter, and then they lose on a bad field goal.
Atlanta goes to the Super Bowl, Minnesota never got back to it. Right? That was like their greatest year ever. So they feel like it, Browns fans feel like it, Bill’s fans feel like it. This is like really bad shit.
[00:03:59] jared: I still think the Browns [00:04:00] are in a tear under themselves, but every fan feels that way. Uh, yeah.
I guess if you’ve never been in the shoes of a Browns fan, I’ll take my shoes off right now and let you wear ’em. Yeah,
4. Front Office Failure & “Blow It Up” Culture
Are front offices actually the problem?
[00:04:09] eric: yeah. Brown’s, Vikings Super Bowl 2034. Throw a year out there.
[00:04:15] jared: I mean, that’d be fun. How shitty would all the other teams have to be? Yeah.
[00:04:20] eric: Like it would have to be a colossal, see, like the Vikings, I think, have had good teams.
Mm-hmm. Over the last many years. The Browns haven’t had a good team since Baker Mayfield. They were in the playoffs, like, yes. He
[00:04:30] jared: took him to the playoffs.
[00:04:31] eric: Yeah. They were like, nah, Flacco took him to the playoffs. Yeah, that’s right. That’s not that long ago.
[00:04:36] jared: I know.
[00:04:36] eric: Yeah. They lost, but they were there.
[00:04:38] jared: The problem with the Browns is it’s a culture thing,
[00:04:40] eric: but you can change the culture, right?
5. NFL Owners, Billionaire Ego & Why Winning Doesn’t Matter
Owners are in a different universe.
[00:04:43] jared: I mean, I think Jimmy Haslam’s the richest owner he had, I mean, so the Browns have plenty of money.
[00:04:49] eric: Yeah, but you have salary caps. Yeah. Yeah,
[00:04:51] jared: sure. But I mean, you would think, I don’t know. I just don’t understand the decision making process. Like why can’t they get it? Right. It seemed like they were [00:05:00] on a really, I do think it’s the front office.
I mean, John Dorsey’s, the one that brought in Baker Mayfield, miles, Garrett, Nick Chubb, like all the superstars. It actually pulled him out the rut. He’s not, John Dorsey brought those guys in. No.
[00:05:10] eric: Haslam’s. 10th. Richest over. Oh, he’s
[00:05:12] jared: 10th. Okay. I’m talking about the front office.
[00:05:15] eric: is worth $113 billion.
Wow. Broncos number two is homeboy. Here, Dave Teer, 21 billion. Stephen Ross with the Dolphins. Stan Croy. The Rams. Jerry Jones at five 16. Bills Shahi Khan for the Jaguars 13 Bill.
[00:05:31] jared: Hey, let’s not talk about the Browns. Let’s talk about any of them. The Rams and the Bucks last night. I hated to see my boy baker go out.
Oh man. The Rams boy. Can they sling it?
[00:05:41] eric: Yeah, they’re good. God, I didn’t watch that game. I saw it was like 31 to three or 31. Not good. Seven, one point. It’s not
[00:05:46] jared: good. I mean, they put in, um, yeah. What’s his face? Who’s the backup for Tampa now? He used to be here. Teddy Bridgewater.
[00:05:52] eric: Yeah. He was coaching high school football not that long ago.
[00:05:55] jared: Really?
[00:05:56] jared: Hey, I mean, you know, to go in against that team after Bakker goes [00:06:00] down. Yeah. It didn’t look good. I mean, Baker threw some dumb ass. Plays too, but I was pretty impressed. Just watching. I’ve never, and again, this is coming from an ignorant, you know, I typically just watch the Browns, or now watch the Buccaneers because of baker.
6. Baker, Stafford & The QB Throwing Styles Debate
Stafford lasers vs. Baker effort throws.
But watching Matthew Stafford, man, that guy can sling the rock. He just, yeah, like a bullet. Yeah. I mean, B’S got the same, but I don’t know. Stafford kind of has that same Joe Flacco thing where Joe Flacco looks effortless. He can just throw a rocket.
[00:06:26] jared: right into the middle of traffic and hit his guy.
And it looks like he didn’t even extend any energy. Bakker looks like he’s giving it everything. He still throws a bullet. But still,
[00:06:37] eric: I wonder, you know, like the comparison thing we’re talking about before Uhhuh quarterback, but the the owners, yeah. It’s not just owners, it’s owners across all sports.
Sure. They probably like see this, listen, fucking drive ’em crazy. If you’re like number three, you’re Dan Gilbert, the Cleveland Cavs, you’re worth $27.8 billion and you’re number four. And number one is Steve Ballmer. So [00:07:00] Microsoft boy, he was 118 billion at this time. Rob Walton was 110. He’s number two. This is Forbes and this is 2025.
Dang. Does it jive from fucking crazy? I don’t know. No, dude, I’m doing well.
[00:07:10] jared: Billionaires are in a class under themselves, quite literally. Yeah. Different type of genetic makeup. Maybe.
[00:07:15] eric: This is not about like necess. It is about they wanna win. Yeah. Because they wanna have that control, that power, that whatever.
7. Shadur Sanders, Social Hype & Fan Conspiracies
The Shadur hype cycle and the Stefanski conspiracies.
Yeah. But I mean, think about Cleveland Browns. They could never win a game. Nope. And they would make billions of dollars. Yeah. They’re about to build a new stadium. Big fucking stadium.
[00:07:32] jared: It’s like we’re gonna keep two something bills massive stadium so everybody can come watch us. Shit. The bed week after week.
Yeah, that’s the narrative right there. Maybe they could take some of that money and get a new front office. Bring John Dorsey back. I don’t know. Yeah. People that actually have some sense get rid of, uh, Stefanki and Barry.
[00:07:50] eric: A lot of people think Stefanski wants Sanders to fail.
[00:07:54] jared: So stupid, so fucking stupid.
I mean that you have all these diehard [00:08:00] Sanders fans. I’m like, he’s not that great, you know? Of course people said the same thing about Baker and I was like, fuck them, you know? But Baker is great. That’s the
[00:08:06] eric: difference I was writing there. So social has you believing that. People will say, look at that dot, that shit door just threw.
So it’s, it’s all, it’s like parody. It’s kind of a joke. So he throws a four yard screen pass. Quin John Jenkins, who runs it? 77, Quin Johns is badass. Right. So he does that. Yeah. And then everyone gets in that comments like, what the fuck are you talking about? You dunno football. And so all they’re doing, they’re just talking with people and the engagement, it’s fucking, the roof people get so mad.
I wanna see. I mean, seriously,
[00:08:38] jared: I mean, he seems like a great kid, you know? I mean, but I have not seen all, all the, they’re trying to keep Sha door down and this, and I’m like, you think Stefanski really has the time or the inclination? Like, I wanna just completely screw a player. Why? Why would he do that?
[00:08:56] jared: Why? And I think that’s just because people thought no, Shado should be number two in the [00:09:00] drop behind Cam Ward, and he’s so great. And just the evidence wasn’t there for that. And then even now, like you see him now again, he is playing on the rounds, but I mean, do I think that kid’s got talent that could be developed?
Absolutely. Of course. But he doesn’t have it right now. I mean, he still needs, I mean, he’s got that bad problem. Tap tap
[00:09:17] eric: balls, we’re gonna see it, right? Yeah. He, he won a game. He have to start ’em.
8. Browns Schedule, Betting Lines & Emotional Damage
Breaking down the a brutal schedule + the ATS misery.
[00:09:22] jared: Yeah. I mean, he won a game, but the, it just goes to show you how shitty the Raiders are.
[00:09:26] jared: Because the Browns did not play well, it didn’t, I mean, I watched, I was watching the high, well, watching the highlights and I was like, okay.
I mean. It did not look like it was hard for them to
[00:09:35] eric: beat players. So let’s see. Let’s see what they got. So this is early. We’re dating ourselves a little bit. They play at home against the 49 ERs next week. Oh, they’ll get
[00:09:42] jared: smashed
[00:09:42] eric: and they play the Titans, who are actually the worst team in the league.
[00:09:45] jared: They’ll probably find a way to fuck it up, but let’s see. Chicago. Mm-hmm. They’re gonna lose that one too. Buffalo, those Cleveland.
[00:09:52] eric: That’s crazy. Oh, they finished the buffalo and they go Pittsburgh at home since the on the road. Yeah, dude. So I mean. The Titans is a win. Should be.
[00:09:59] jared: Yeah. [00:10:00] We should be.
[00:10:00] eric: If they lose.
So we’ll see. We’re gonna find out this week against the 49 ERs. They’re a D they’re a good team. Yeah. Yeah. But they’re coming. That’s fucked up. 49 ERs like on Monday night. This is NF l’s. Crazy. NFL 49 ERs play at home on Monday night on the west coast. Play against Carolina, right? Mm-hmm. Sunday. Sh So a short week for them.
They gotta come to Cleveland. Yeah. And play a one o’clock game, which is 10:00 AM their time. Hmm. It’s fucking crazy. Fun and they’ll, they’ll figure it out.
[00:10:25] jared: I get it. Yeah. Well, they’re gonna be in Cleveland before, so I don’t know what
[00:10:27] eric: the odds say, but oftentimes it’s a don’t bet West Coast teams coming east and the early game, unless you’re playing the Browns, unless you’re playing the Browns, there’s here.
Yeah. But even still, like, I don’t know what the Browns are against the spread.
[00:10:41] eric: I mean, what was, uh, what were Shara’s stats? He threw, he was like 11 for 20. I’ve just seen it so many times. Just popping up 11 for 20 for like 200 yards.
[00:10:49] jared: Yeah, that’s the fanfare. I mean, that’s just, I mean, he has so many fans of social media from when he was a, I mean, he’s Dion.
Sanders kid. Yeah. I mean, again, he’s, you know, look at us. We’re [00:11:00] on a fucking podcast. We’re not professional athletes. He is, he’s, we’re professional podcasters. We’re professional podcasters. Yeah. Yeah. No. I mean, so all respect to him for sure. But it’s an interesting thing to see, like the fans like, oh yeah, it’s a conspiracy and this, and that’s like, look, he has the potential to be really good.
Yeah, for sure. He’s got the height. It’s like, but to treat him like he’s fucking Tom Brady, you know, right now is,
[00:11:23] eric: yeah. It’s like that’s just not Case. Browns are five and six against the spread this year, so the record against the spread’s better than the record. I’m saying, man, this is what it’s, yeah.
[00:11:33] jared: Unsurprising.
9. Bright Spots: Quinshon Judkins & Dylan Sampson
Running backs who are actually fun to watch.
[00:11:34] eric: Yeah. So you’re like, so maje, they suck.
[00:11:39] jared: Oh God. Bet the spread. You still fucking lose. I don’t even, man, I was like considering not finishing, watching the highlights from the game. I was like, I just don’t care. I don’t care anymore. Yeah. Although Quin, Sean Jus is really fun to watch, man. That guy can just motor and I’ll tell you what, Samson man, that guy gets the ball and he gets motoring.
[00:11:56] eric: Ooh, you can’t catch
[00:11:57] eric: Tennessee kid, right? Yeah. Volunteer. [00:12:00] Dylan Sampson you’re talking
[00:12:01] jared: about. Yeah. Yeah. It’s Dylan Sampson, isn’t it? That’s how much
[00:12:03] eric: I don’t give a shit anymore. It’s fine.
10. Final Pivot: Job Market Spray-and-Pray
The kicker line before the segment ends.
[00:12:05] eric: I love it. Yeah, whatever. It’s big. Last one. Go. Tampa Bay. Last one. Job market. So the spray and pray approach.
Uhhuh. So I’m hearing all these kids talk about applying for jobs, right? Yeah. Can’t get jobs.
[00:12:19] jared: So they need to be applying for food stamps. You know what I’m saying? Geez. Yeah.
[00:12:24] eric: That’s gonna be clipped. Oh gosh. And that’s gonna get a lot of hate. I know.
Eric Kasimov
Eric Kasimov is the founder of SportsEpreneur, part of the KazSource media network. Since launching the platform in 2015, he has hosted over 500 podcast episodes, written and published more than 1,500 articles, and advised business leaders, founders, and creators on building authority through media strategy.
Through his brands — KazSource, KazCM, SportsEpreneur, and QuietLoud Studios — Eric leads teams that produce podcasts, develop brand platforms, and help companies grow through modern content ecosystems. He also scaled KazSource Insurance into a seven-figure boutique agency, providing the foundation for the broader media network he operates today.
His work has been featured in Forbes, Axios, and Front Office Sports, and his podcasts have included conversations with top founders, investors, and athletes turned entrepreneurs.
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