While Donald Trump’s presidency might seem chaotic from the outside as the US appears to be retreating from its former role as a global superpower, intelligence analyst Clinton Fernandes says that behind the scenes a shrewd geo-political strategy is being rolled out. And it’s one that could see Australia dragged into a war with China.

• Guest: Clinton Fernandes, Professor of International and Political Studies at the University of New South Wales, and author of  ‘Turbulence: Australian Foreign Policy in the Trump Era’
• Producer: Catherine Zengerer