In this episode of the Defence Connect Podcast, Emeritus Professor of Complex Systems Science at the Australian National University Roger Bradbury joins host Liam Garman, editor defence and security at Momentum Media, to discuss how technological innovation could make submarines obsolete. In the podcast, Professor Bradbury analyses the changing technologies of war. He explains that submarines possess core advantages (or “tricks”) including stealth that make them lethal in times of conflict. However, such tricks are likely to be overcome by new and emerging submarine detection technology. The pair then discuss Professor Bradbury’s multidisciplinary report, Transparent Oceans? The Coming SSBN Counter-Detection Task May Be Insuperable, which found that such submarine detection capabilities would reduce the military advantages provided by submarines by the 2050s. Throughout the podcast, Professor Bradbury draws upon historical, scientific and military analyses to support the report's findings. Enjoy the podcast, The Defence Connect Team