Zoe’s path into guitar building is a pretty fascinating one. She grew up surrounded by artists, started out as a drummer, dove deep into piano and composition, and at one point thought she might pursue film scoring. Eventually, though, she realized she missed actually making physical things with her hands.
A random guitar-building job listing sent her down the rabbit hole, which eventually led to an apprenticeship with Barry Grzebik of Grez Guitars and a job at LMI. From there, she spent years learning the craft before developing her own very distinctive instrument, the Model Z.
We get into the surprisingly difficult process of designing a guitar that looks genuinely different without looking completely ridiculous, building prototypes, neck shapes, the influence of Strats and offset guitars, and why funk and Khruangbin ended up finding their way into the Model Z’s DNA.
We also talk about the less glamorous side of being a creative person: selling your work, social media, learning to market yourself when you’d rather stay in the shop, and figuring out what kind of career actually works for the way your brain is wired.
Plus…John Bonham, Bulgarian women’s choirs, big guitar necks, magical guitar-player fairy dust, BOSS pedals, and an extremely specific pizza recommendation.
Check out more of Zoe's work HERE https://www.zoejetguitars.com/
 
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Zoe’s path into guitar building is a pretty fascinating one. She grew up surrounded by artists, started out as a drummer, dove deep into piano and composition, and at one point thought she might pursue film scoring. Eventually, though, she realized she missed actually making physical things with her hands. A random guitar-building job listing sent her down the rabbit hole, which eventually led to an apprenticeship with Barry Grzebik of Grez Guitars and a job at LMI. From there, she spent years learning the craft before developing her own very distinctive instrument, the Model Z. We get into the surprisingly difficult process of designing a guitar that looks genuinely different without looking completely ridiculous, building prototypes, neck shapes, the influence of Strats and offset guitars, and why funk and Khruangbin ended up finding their way into the Model Z’s DNA. We also talk about the less glamorous side of being a creative person: selling your work, social media, learning to market yourself when you’d rather stay in the shop, and figuring out what kind of career actually works for the way your brain is wired. Plus…John Bonham, Bulgarian women’s choirs, big guitar necks, magical guitar-player fairy dust, BOSS pedals, and an extremely specific pizza recommendation. Check out more of Zoe's work HERE https://www.zoejetguitars.com/ Support The Show And Connect! The Text Chat is back! Hit me up at (503) 751-8577 You can also help out with your gear buying habits by purchasing stuff from ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Tonemob.com/reverb⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Tonemob.com/sweetwater⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or grabbing your guitar/bass strings from ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Tonemob.com/stringjoy⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Zoe’s path into guitar building is a pretty fascinating one. She grew up surrounded by artists, started out as a drummer, dove deep into piano and composition, and at one point thought she might pursue film scoring. Eventually, though, she realized she missed actually making physical things with her hands.
A random guitar-building job listing sent her down the rabbit hole, which eventually led to an apprenticeship with Barry Grzebik of Grez Guitars and a job at LMI. From there, she spent years learning the craft before developing her own very distinctive instrument, the Model Z.
We get into the surprisingly difficult process of designing a guitar that looks genuinely different without looking completely ridiculous, building prototypes, neck shapes, the influence of Strats and offset guitars, and why funk and Khruangbin ended up finding their way into the Model Z’s DNA.
We also talk about the less glamorous side of being a creative person: selling your work, social media, learning to market yourself when you’d rather stay in the shop, and figuring out what kind of career actually works for the way your brain is wired.
Plus…John Bonham, Bulgarian women’s choirs, big guitar necks, magical guitar-player fairy dust, BOSS pedals, and an extremely specific pizza recommendation.
Check out more of Zoe's work HERE https://www.zoejetguitars.com/
 
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“Don’t Get a Job.” w/ Zoe Jet of Zoe Jet Guitars

My buddy Jason Verlinde of The Fretboard Journal is back on the show, and this time we’re fresh off the Fretboard Summit in Chicago.
I finally made it to the Summit this year, so Jason and I dig into what actually goes into putting on an event like this, why it feels so different from a traditional guitar show, and how they’ve managed to create something that feels less like a convention and more like a gigantic gathering of guitar nerds who actually want to hang out with each other.
We talk vintage Martins wandering around in gig bags, Bob Taylor and Chris Martin casually hanging out with attendees, Fugazi being played on a six-figure acoustic guitar at an Irish bar, and the surprisingly complicated logistics of stuffing 100 exhibitors, workshops, concerts, builders, musicians, and assorted guitar weirdos into the Old Town School of Folk Music.
We also get into some big changes at The Fretboard Journal. After more than two decades of Jason handling an enormous amount of the magazine himself, the team is growing. What does that mean? We get into it!
From there we get into the strange resurgence of print, the growing appeal of real-world experiences, social media fatigue, putting our phones down once in a while, trail running, powerlifting, and the joy of having a hobby where you’re allowed to be a beginner again.
For stuff on The Summit go HERE<a href="https://fretboardsummit.org/"> https://fretboardsummit.org/</a>
For stuff on The Journal go HERE <a href="https://www.fretboardjournal.com/">https://www.fretboardjournal.com/</a>
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My buddy Jason Verlinde of The Fretboard Journal is back on the show, and this time we’re fresh off the Fretboard Summit in Chicago. I finally made it to the Summit this year, so Jason and I dig into what actually goes into putting on an event like this, why it feels so different from a traditional guitar show, and how they’ve managed to create something that feels less like a convention and more like a gigantic gathering of guitar nerds who actually want to hang out with each other. We talk vintage Martins wandering around in gig bags, Bob Taylor and Chris Martin casually hanging out with attendees, Fugazi being played on a six-figure acoustic guitar at an Irish bar, and the surprisingly complicated logistics of stuffing 100 exhibitors, workshops, concerts, builders, musicians, and assorted guitar weirdos into the Old Town School of Folk Music. We also get into some big changes at The Fretboard Journal. After more than two decades of Jason handling an enormous amount of the magazine himself, the team is growing. What does that mean? We get into it! From there we get into the strange resurgence of print, the growing appeal of real-world experiences, social media fatigue, putting our phones down once in a while, trail running, powerlifting, and the joy of having a hobby where you’re allowed to be a beginner again. For stuff on The Summit go HERE https://fretboardsummit.org/ For stuff on The Journal go HERE https://www.fretboardjournal.com/ Support The Show And Connect! The Text Chat is back! Hit me up at (503) 751-8577 You can also help out with your gear buying habits by purchasing stuff from ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Tonemob.com/reverb⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Tonemob.com/sweetwater⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or grabbing your guitar/bass strings from ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Tonemob.com/stringjoy⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

My buddy Jason Verlinde of The Fretboard Journal is back on the show, and this time we’re fresh off the Fretboard Summit in Chicago.
I finally made it to the Summit this year, so Jason and I dig into what actually goes into putting on an event like this, why it feels so different from a traditional guitar show, and how they’ve managed to create something that feels less like a convention and more like a gigantic gathering of guitar nerds who actually want to hang out with each other.
We talk vintage Martins wandering around in gig bags, Bob Taylor and Chris Martin casually hanging out with attendees, Fugazi being played on a six-figure acoustic guitar at an Irish bar, and the surprisingly complicated logistics of stuffing 100 exhibitors, workshops, concerts, builders, musicians, and assorted guitar weirdos into the Old Town School of Folk Music.
We also get into some big changes at The Fretboard Journal. After more than two decades of Jason handling an enormous amount of the magazine himself, the team is growing. What does that mean? We get into it!
From there we get into the strange resurgence of print, the growing appeal of real-world experiences, social media fatigue, putting our phones down once in a while, trail running, powerlifting, and the joy of having a hobby where you’re allowed to be a beginner again.
For stuff on The Summit go HERE<a href="https://fretboardsummit.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer"> https://fretboardsummit.org/</a>
For stuff on The Journal go HERE <a href="https://www.fretboardjournal.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.fretboardjournal.com/</a>
Support The Show And Connect!
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Fugazi on a Six-Figure Martin w/ Jason Verlinde

Liz Kamlet, better known online as Liz The Music Manager, has spent most of her life somewhere behind the curtain of the music business. She started shooting tour photography as a teenager, worked around artists like James Taylor, Jackson Browne and Kenny Loggins, somehow became the person Guitar Center called when a famous musician wanted to buy a vintage guitar, and eventually found herself managing artists, running tours and helping musicians navigate an increasingly strange industry.
On this episode of The Tone Mob Podcast, Liz joins me to talk about how all of that happened and, more importantly, what independent artists should actually be doing in 2026.
We get into building an online presence, networking, co-writing, getting people to care about your original music, the real cost of releasing records, why a record deal shouldn't necessarily be the goal, and why you absolutely need someone qualified to look at a contract before you sign it.
Liz also shares some genuinely wild stories from behind the scenes, including artists getting ripped off for millions of dollars, questionable industry tactics, disappearing musicians, stolen guitars and the time she broke BOTH of her forearms saving one of James Taylor's guitars from taking a dive off the stage at Red Rocks.
So yeah. We talk a lot about the music business.
And a little about guitars.
You can get all things Liz on her website HERE <a href="https://www.lizkamlet.com/">https://www.lizkamlet.com/</a>
 
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Liz Kamlet, better known online as Liz The Music Manager, has spent most of her life somewhere behind the curtain of the music business. She started shooting tour photography as a teenager, worked around artists like James Taylor, Jackson Browne and Kenny Loggins, somehow became the person Guitar Center called when a famous musician wanted to buy a vintage guitar, and eventually found herself managing artists, running tours and helping musicians navigate an increasingly strange industry. On this episode of The Tone Mob Podcast, Liz joins me to talk about how all of that happened and, more importantly, what independent artists should actually be doing in 2026. We get into building an online presence, networking, co-writing, getting people to care about your original music, the real cost of releasing records, why a record deal shouldn't necessarily be the goal, and why you absolutely need someone qualified to look at a contract before you sign it. Liz also shares some genuinely wild stories from behind the scenes, including artists getting ripped off for millions of dollars, questionable industry tactics, disappearing musicians, stolen guitars and the time she broke BOTH of her forearms saving one of James Taylor's guitars from taking a dive off the stage at Red Rocks. So yeah. We talk a lot about the music business. And a little about guitars. You can get all things Liz on her website HERE https://www.lizkamlet.com/ Support The Show And Connect! The Text Chat is back! Hit me up at (503) 751-8577 You can also help out with your gear buying habits by purchasing stuff from ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Tonemob.com/reverb⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Tonemob.com/sweetwater⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or grabbing your guitar/bass strings from ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Tonemob.com/stringjoy⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Liz Kamlet, better known online as Liz The Music Manager, has spent most of her life somewhere behind the curtain of the music business. She started shooting tour photography as a teenager, worked around artists like James Taylor, Jackson Browne and Kenny Loggins, somehow became the person Guitar Center called when a famous musician wanted to buy a vintage guitar, and eventually found herself managing artists, running tours and helping musicians navigate an increasingly strange industry.
On this episode of The Tone Mob Podcast, Liz joins me to talk about how all of that happened and, more importantly, what independent artists should actually be doing in 2026.
We get into building an online presence, networking, co-writing, getting people to care about your original music, the real cost of releasing records, why a record deal shouldn't necessarily be the goal, and why you absolutely need someone qualified to look at a contract before you sign it.
Liz also shares some genuinely wild stories from behind the scenes, including artists getting ripped off for millions of dollars, questionable industry tactics, disappearing musicians, stolen guitars and the time she broke BOTH of her forearms saving one of James Taylor's guitars from taking a dive off the stage at Red Rocks.
So yeah. We talk a lot about the music business.
And a little about guitars.
You can get all things Liz on her website HERE <a href="https://www.lizkamlet.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.lizkamlet.com/</a>
 
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How to Actually Make It in Music w/ Liz The Music Manager

Episode 001- In the first episode of the ToneMob.com Podcast, we talk with Ryan McCaffrery about everything from Hulk Hogan, to vintage Gibsons, to eating oreos at two in the morning. We guitar players are nuts..........  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://megaphone.fm/adchoices">megaphone.fm/adchoices</a>

Episode 001- In the first episode of the ToneMob.com Podcast, we talk with Ryan McCaffrery about everything from Hulk Hogan, to vintage Gibsons, to eating oreos at two in the morning. We guitar players are nuts.......... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Episode 001- In the first episode of the ToneMob.com Podcast, we talk with Ryan McCaffrery about everything from Hulk Hogan, to vintage Gibsons, to eating oreos at two in the morning. We guitar players are nuts..........&nbsp; Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://megaphone.fm/adchoices" rel="noopener noreferrer">megaphone.fm/adchoices</a>

Ryan McCaffrey of McCaffrey Audio

The year was 2015. Show host Blake Wyland intended to start a podcast where he took a deep dive with his guests from the guitar world to explain their rigs. What happened was that, but also a whole lot more. The show quickly evolved into discussions about people's lives. Guitars, pedals, amps, etc. are the central hub of the show, but it really is more about the PEOPLE behind all of it. Both the musicians who use the gear, and the folks that create these magical tools of expression. You can expect chats about songwriting, favorite bands, family, loss, addiction, conspiracy theories, philosophy, and most of all....... food. This podcast goes all over the place. Come take a ride. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://megaphone.fm/adchoices">megaphone.fm/adchoices</a>

The year was 2015. Show host Blake Wyland intended to start a podcast where he took a deep dive with his guests from the guitar world to explain their rigs. What happened was that, but also a whole lot more. The show quickly evolved into discussions about people's lives. Guitars, pedals, amps, etc. are the central hub of the show, but it really is more about the PEOPLE behind all of it. Both the musicians who use the gear, and the folks that create these magical tools of expression. You can expect chats about songwriting, favorite bands, family, loss, addiction, conspiracy theories, philosophy, and most of all....... food. This podcast goes all over the place. Come take a ride. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The year was 2015. Show host Blake Wyland intended to start a podcast where he took a deep dive with his guests from the guitar world to explain their rigs. What happened was that, but also a whole lot more. The show quickly evolved into discussions about people's lives. Guitars, pedals, amps, etc. are the central hub of the show, but it really is more about the PEOPLE behind all of it. Both the musicians who use the gear, and the folks that create these magical tools of expression. You can expect chats about songwriting, favorite bands, family, loss, addiction, conspiracy theories, philosophy, and most of all....... food. This podcast goes all over the place. Come take a ride. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://megaphone.fm/adchoices" rel="noopener noreferrer">megaphone.fm/adchoices</a>

Welcome to The Tone Mob

The year was 2015. Show host Blake Wyland intended to start a podcast where he took a deep dive with his guests from the guitar world to explain their rigs. What happened was that, but also a whole lot more. The show quickly evolved into discussions about people's lives. Guitars, pedals, amps, etc. are the central hub of the show, but it really is more about the PEOPLE behind all of it. Both the musicians who use the gear, and the folks that create these magical tools of expression. You can expect chats about songwriting, favorite bands, family, loss, addiction, conspiracy theories, philosophy, and most of all....... food. This podcast goes all over the place. Come take a ride.

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