Paul Massaro, Senior Policy Advisor to the Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe (the Helsinki Commission), joins Giselle, Dalibor, and Iulia to talk kleptocracy and why it is a transnational threat.

Paul argues that kleptocracy is the #1 threat the West faces, as it prevents democracies from developing. Conversely, it is also the reason that Russia's military is performing less effectively than was expected. Paul also explains what we are doing to fight Russian dirty money coming into the US and what more we can do to fight corruption in Ukraine to help it rebuild after the war.