Marina and Jemma were thrilled to talk to one half of Rizzle Kicks, writer and communicator extraordinaire Jordan Stephens.

They discuss connection, love, heartbreak, what’s happening to men right now and whether or not the patriarchy has entirely ‘benefited’ men.

The Trawl ladies find him positive, compelling to listen to and super smart. They hope you do too.

Enjoy!

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