Special guest Plaid Cymru's Liz Saville-Roberts, discusses the week's big stories with Alex, Naomi, and Kenny.

Chinese Spy Trial: cock-up, cover up, or nothingburger?

Nathan Gill bribe story: why is Farage not being asked difficult questions?

Musk funding Yaxley-Lennon: wake up UK.

Caerphilly By-Election: Plaid to the rescue?

Labour vote collapse in Wales.

Senedd elections in a few months.

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“The world’s richest man funding the UK’s most prominent far-right agitator isn’t normal and should not be treated as such. This dangerous merging of wealth and power and extremist politics, is made worse when coupled with the media’s indifference. If this isn’t a wake-up call, I don’t know what is.”

“When it became apparent that the case against Nathan Gill was going to go to court, it was listed to be heard after the Senedd elections. That he has chosen to plead guilty now, in a way that comes before those elections is extremely interesting.”

“Government ministers and departments not leaving X is the political equivalent of failing to evacuate a burning building because the wi-fi is still working.”

“Starmer, as an experienced former DPP, will have considered those witness statements quite carefully, before rowing out to precisely a distance that means he gets to have a lovely day fishing, while anyone trying to swim after him risks drowning.”

“Badenoch is trying to reestablish herself as leader of her own party. She seems to have pleased her own backbenchers simply by landing a punch.”

“Having always had Labour in charge in Cardiff, we haven’t really tested what we [Plaid] can do as an ‘awkward’ party in relation to Westminster. The SNP, by being difficult, has always secured better concessions for Scotland than we have had in Wales.”

“I’ve been campaigning in Caerphilly. It’s neck-and-neck, a two-horse race between Plaid and Reform and I couldn’t tell you what will happen. The one thing I am comfortable saying, empirically, is that the Labour vote has collapsed.”

“This is part of Labour’s problem: they are not prepared to meet parties elsewhere. Collaboration is not their way. And what is really interesting about the change of the electoral system in Wales is that Labour are going to have to learn to work with others.”

“I’ll speak candidly. I’m not keen on the ‘closed list’ system of Proportional Representation. I don’t like the idea that elected representatives have more of an eye on what the party thinks of them, as the people who select where they are on the list.”

“The Senedd is unlikely to end up with a majority government. So, we are going to have to work together. I think this is a very good thing in politics. The winners, losers, yah-boo adversarial-ness of Westminster does not reflect how we are in real life. There’s something immature about it.”

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We're off to Scotland for a keek at the SNP conference (and a couple of Aberdeen rowies – don't worry, we'll explain).

Quiet Riot's occasionally tame Scot, Kenny Campbell, is joined by the Scotland-based reporter Jacob Freedland, for a look behind the scenes at what was a pretty chipper conference for the Nats.

• Gasp as we reveal the truth about leader John Swinney's comedic talents

• Weep as we find Nicola Sturgeon alone in a crowd

• Howl as we look at why Farage presents a threat to the Union

• Mumble diplomatically as we look at where independence sits on the Scottish political shopping list

• And chomp furiously on those delicious rowies...

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Who is María Corina Machado - the woman who won the Nobel Peace Prize? Is the Gaza 20-point plan anything more than a ceasefire with a wishlist attached? And what is Trump up to inside the US?

ALSO - Reform UK councils seem to be finding it more difficult than predicted to find any savings. Has swagger met reality?

PLUS - Jilly Cooper, queen of the steamy beach read is gone, but what are our favourite guilty reads?

Alex and Naomi talk through the week's news.

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“Is peace merely the absence of war? Or is it something else that involves wellbeing, prosperity, democracy, and the rule of law, so conflict can be resolved in a civilised way? That seems a more positive and more enduring vision than ‘we’ve stopped shooting each other for now’. On that basis, Trump is moving America in the opposite direction.”

“The idea of Trump as a senile old kaker is optimistic. The darker interpretation is that all this - what happened in Los Angeles and Washington DC, and now in Chicago and Portland - is getting people used to army in their streets, that it is leading somewhere.”

“This was very predictable. Quite a few people welcomed Reform taking control of a few councils, this far out from a general election, in the full knowledge that they could not find the savings they promised; that they would fail on their own terms.”

“Reform seems to do very well at gaining elected officials, but not so well at keeping them. Since May, they have shed a remarkable 24 councillors for a variety of very embarrassing reasons, including losing eight, in September alone. They have also lost staff from HQ.”

“Most journalists compliment policies as ‘eye-catching’. What does that even mean? Are they realistic? Practical? Ethical? ‘Eye-catching’ brought us Brexit. ‘Eye-catching gave us Johnson. ‘Eye-catching’ resulted in Trump. Maybe it’s time to interrogate the concept.”

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Special guest Sam Freedman, discusses the week's big stories with Alex, Naomi, and Kenny.

Is there a future for the Conservative Party? Is there a future IN the Conservative Party. Should they stick with Badenoch, or twist and risk the - incredibly - LESS likeable, Jenrick?

AND - Is France basically ungovernable now? Our favourite Chevalier, Olivier Morel, talks us through the latest drama.

PLUS - with a deal on Gaza close, the repercussions for Jews globally may take much longer to heal.

INCLUDING - a very funny (and surprisingly angry) 'Wokey Dokey'.

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“For a long time the Tories have depended on ‘the party in the media’, as it is often called, to maintain their relationship with their base - the Mail and Telegraph in particular, because organisations like the BBC often take their cue from them. Losing those papers to Reform is very dangerous.”

“The party is already where [Jenrick] wants it, because basically he’s been shadow-leading the Tories, and it hasn’t helped their poll ratings. Also, he focus-groups really badly. Even voters who agree with him dislike him. So, I don’t think he is the answer to the party’s problems.”

“We are roughly the same distance from Labour having to call a General Election, as we are from the last pandemic lockdown. Try to conceive of that amount of stuff still to happen. For me, it’s far too soon to predict how the next election will shape up.”

“When challenged about the consequences of leaving the ECHR for the wider EU trade agreement Badenoch said that she could give notice to leave it all behind. Best for Britain polling shows that this plays very badly with voters who have not abandoned the Tories for Reform - and who tend to be more moderate.”

“All political parties in France are behaving as if they have a majority and deserve to implement their programme. I have heard several leaders adopting a very grave tone and saying now is the time to compromise, but they mean everyone else must compromise. This is making France ungovernable.”

“Will Macron resign? I think it’s not in his DNA to do that at all. And on the international stage, he still believes he has a big role to play. Against that, Macron is facing criticism and even calls to resign from loyalists within his own camp and this is new.”

“Whether this plan succeeds depends directly on how much pressure Trump puts on Netanyahu. the Israelis will be at the negotiation with the objective of changing the terms in a way that forces Hamas to say ‘no’.”

“I have never known the Jewish community to be so divided over Israel. The sheer violence of what’s happened in Gaza has pushed a lot of people into a very uncomfortable position of believing in Israel as an idea but being horrified by what the current gov’t is doing.”

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Strip away the schadenfreude around Michelle Mone's fall from grace, and what is the real story here? Naomi Smith and Kenny Campbell look at a scandal that is far from over.

Also, with the Conservatives and Greens in conference mode, we consider the contrasting fortunes of their respective leaders – and dive into some fascinating data around Tory voters.

Plus, in tribute to the late, great Patricia Routledge, we ask the BIG question of the week: how would Hyacinth Bucket vote? And what about other TV greats, such as Rab C. Nesbitt and Del Boy?

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Do fightbacks always begin at Liverpool? An unexpectedly feisty speech by Starmer leads to a lot of pearl-clutching by Reform. But will our media cover it?

Also, the former Welsh leader of Reform admits to taking Russian bribes. But will our media cover it?

And with the election in Moldova sends an unequivocal F-U to Moscow. But will our media cover it?

Alex Andreou, Kenny Campbell and special guest, Annette Dittert, discuss. PLUS dispatches by Naomi Smith, from inside the Labour Conference.

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“I have spent a lot of time in the Northeast recently and was shocked by the amount of anger from lifelong Labour voters who feel betrayed… The sentence I heard most often was: they take it out on us, they take it out on the poor, because it’s easier.”

“It was really important that Starmer called those policies out for what they are - they are racist. Farage stokes this up, cynically and cleverly. Labour have tried to tiptoe around it all summer and it hasn’t worked.” 

“We saw it during Brexit and we see it with the AfD in Germany. Pandering to the far right never works. And yet conservative parties seem to have this - in German we call it ‘angstlust’ - this desire to go somewhere dangerous.”

“Racism is a little like political pornography. Its practitioners enjoy it privately or with groups of likeminded people. But if one were to start enjoying it in public, awkward questions will arise.”

“From Russian bribes to Musk beaming onto big screens advocating violence, we can’t go on pretending this isn’t happening. That there are not powerful interests from both East and West pouring money into destabilising our democratic processes.” 

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Starmer heads to Labour Conference fending off challenges from within and outwith, not boosted by an announcement on Digital ID cards that appears to have backfired.

Meanwhile, the White House seems to be becoming more aligned with the European view on both Gaza and Ukraine. Is this another set of random words or a genuine shift in policy?

Plus - with a Youth Mobility Scheme finally enjoying Treasury support, Alex and Kenny discuss their own early experiences of youth mobility.

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Is Ed Davey the Anti-Trump? We digest the Lib Dem Conference.

PLUS: A crazy 48 hours for Trump, even by Trump standards.

Naomi Smith, Alex Andreou and special guest, Cambridge Law Professor, former Lib Dem MP and former Electoral Commissioner, David Howarth, discuss the rising threat of illiberalism, and the antidote.

Including regular feature 'Grin And Share It'.

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“Of the top twenty least-deprived constituencies in the country more than half of them are held by the Lib Dems. So, when Ed Davey says ‘we are the party of Middle England’ it sounds to many that he means ‘the middle class’. This is the party that allegedly chose its target seats on the basis of being outside London but with a Gail’s.”

“The problem is assuming politics is about buying people’s vote. That’s an invitation for instability because you end up always disappointing voters - who feel they didn’t get enough or others got too much. A politics based on values that offers hope can appeal to lots of people in different circumstances, and is not all about giving you an extra fiver and taking a fiver off the other lot.”

“One of the things about Ed Davey is that what he says drives Reform UK party people crazy. And that’s good. Because one of the major rules of politics is to work out what your opponent least wants you to say and say it.”

“We need to be inside the new EU pact on migration and asylum. It is a burden sharing pact, but most of the things that people complain about would be solved within it: more information about the people we take, much easier returns, and an obligation for asylum seekers to apply only once, in the first country they land.”

“What we are seeing [from Farage] is sinister. Reform is adopting a policy of ‘national preference’ - the fundamental policy of the far right in France. I starts with citizenship. Who counts as a citizen? Who should be a citizen? If you listen to Le Pen, it shifts to dual citizens. Suggests they have divided loyalties. It then goes to a very dark place all about having ‘the right’ ancestry.”

“The gov’t has a moral responsibility to reform the electoral system. We are not in a situation where Labour’s partisanship over first-past-the-post ends up delivering a vaguely incompetent centre-right gov’t. It could deliver a far-right gov’t on 30% of the vote. It is morally reprehensible and irresponsible not to change the system.”

“I’m much more worried about the rise of fascism than the rise in autism. All this Tylenol stuff is part of a portrayal of Gilead, basically, where women should not work or participate in civic society, but be at home, pregnant, and enduring as much pain as possible, in order to support the white patriarchy.”

“I worry that all this forms a pattern of attack against evidence, a concerted attack on science, a sort of Endarkenment, an attempt to return people to a state of not knowing what to trust, in which Leader’s Word becomes the only source of truth.”

“This idea of ‘behind the scenes’ doesn’t really work with Trump. There is no ‘behind’. All of it is played out on the stage. Trump has this idea that he has to win the day, of a reality show, where at the end of each episode, Trump must be the winner.”

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"Your Party" seems to be falling apart. Can it be salvaged. And does it need to be, with Zack Polanski's Greens providing a challenger from a similar political space?

Also - will US tech giants invest in the UK or exploit it? He mull the investment deal struck during the US President's state visit.

Plus - has Trump discovered a business backdoor hack to the constitution? And might cancelling critics backfire?

Alex and Naomi talk through the week's news.

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“It’s partly generational, but not just about their ages. Corbyn is a slow-horses sort of guy and Sultana is a come-on-guys person. And with Zack Polanski hitting the ground running, I think she has good reason to want to go faster.”

“The King’s Speech was superb: holding the line on disagreements without being argumentative, flattering without being unctuous. Then Trump gets up to respond and essentially reads out what I think might have been the Wikipedia page for the UK.”

“Jimmy Kimmel could have the top podcast tomorrow. Maybe it is a huge strategic error to kick these big names out of legacy media and into spaces that the right wing has dominated and progressives have ignored, with 50 times the potential audience, AND armed with a legitimate grievance.” 

“We’ve just got to stop taking the right wing at its word on free speech. What they actually want is to be insulated from any criticism. This is a fundamentally political story that echoes what we’ve seen from Meta, from X, from Amazon, from Tesla, whose fortune is tied up in their relationship with Trump.”

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Trump gets the full Windsor treatment and turns to Royal Jelly.

PLUS: How to defeat the far right.

Naomi Smith, Alex Andreou and special guest, boss of Hope Not Hate, Nick Lowles, discuss the Presidential visit and Nick's new book on lessons learned from decades fighting the fash.

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“Ultimately we are not going to be able to address or reduce people’s anger around immigration, without being able to address the economic pessimism that is driving it.”

“There’s very little common space - especially free common space. Much to do with political decisions, but also changing lifestyles. The large workplaces of the 70s are gone. 10,500 playing fields were sold off under austerity. There’s far less interaction between people from different communities.” 

“We are looking for top-down solutions, but - particularly with current levels of lack of trust in authority - we need to do more peer-to-peer stuff. You can’t legislate away youth radicalisation. You are just pushing more young people to rebel against the system.”

“The Royals looked utterly miserable. They all looked completely bored. Melania looked bored. And all for what? To appease a man who has criticised our democracy, insulted our Prime Minister, tried to humiliate our capital’s mayor. It is grotesque.”

“We are trying to hang on, in the back seat of a car, being driven at speed by a maniac. Maybe jumping out or antagonising him is not the right choice. Maybe playing soothing music and engaging him in conversation, until we can get out alive is better. I don’t envy the choice for any politician.” 

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