In this episode Caroline and Liz talk to Dr Carol Stott, an expert in autism, to try and answer some of your questions about the role the condition played in the trial. They bring you a longer interview with criminologist Prof David Wilson, who offers his insight into what drove Scarlett Jenkinson and Eddie Ratcliffe to kill Brianna.

And they also bring you news of a new campaign launched by Brianna’s mother, Esther Ghey, which aims to help parents control what their children are looking at online via their smartphones.

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In this special extended episode Caroline and Liz speak to Esther Ghey, the mother of Brianna. In her first in depth audio interview, Esther tells them about the moment she learned her daughter had been murdered, how she has coped with the past 12 months and how she plans to mark the anniversary of Brianna’s death on Sunday.

She also speaks passionately about her determination to make positive change for children, by campaigning for new legislation around mobile phones and social media, and improving mental resilience with mindfulness teachers in schools.

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In this episode Caroline and Liz outline all the details from a dramatic day in court as Brianna’s killers were sentenced and their names revealed for the first time.

They also discuss how sadism and Brianna’s transgender status partly motivated them Scarlett Jenkinson and Eddie Ratcliffe to kill.

And that just a few weeks ago Jenkinson finally admitted stabbing Brianna during the brutal attack.

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In this episode Caroline and Liz talk to Professor Alan Woodward, an expert on computer science and cyber security, at the University of Surrey. 

He explains how Girl X was able to access torture and murder sites online and why the dark web is so difficult to police.

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In today’s episode Liz and Caroline discuss what’s going to happen when Brianna’s killers are sentenced, and their names are revealed to the public for the first time.

They also talk more to Mike Evans, the head of crime at Cheshire police, who investigated the murder and was one of the first officers on the scene.

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In this episode Caroline and Liz discuss why the trial judge, Mrs Justice Yip, has decided to lift reporting restrictions and allow Girl X and Boy Y to be named by the media when she sentences them for Brianna’s murder next week.

They also chat to barrister Chloe Ashley about previous cases involving child defendants and what the judge will have considered before allowing their identities to be made public for the first time.

The Trial takes listeners behind the headlines and into the courtrooms of some of the biggest criminal cases in the world.

The first series, 'The Trial of Lucy Letby' received more than 13 million downloads.

Season Two focussed on the murder of Ashling Murphy, a 23 year old teacher from Ireland.

Season Three will follow the evidence as the jury hears it in twice weekly reports from The Daily Mail's Northern Correspondent, Liz Hull, and broadcast journalist, Caroline Cheetham.

They'll take you into the courtroom to bring you the details as the evidence unfolds, to examine key moments and to carry out exclusive interviews with detectives, victims and experts.

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Two high school pupils have been found guilty of murdering 16 year old Brianna Ghey.

The jury of seven men and five women took just 4 hours and 40 minutes to decide that the boy and girl - who cannot currently be named because of their ages - killed Brianna.

Even though it was impossible to be sure who had inflicted the final stab wound that ended her life, the jury found them to be jointly responsible.

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In today’s episode we’ll explain that Boy Y gave his evidence to the court by typing his answers because he is unable to speak.

How he told the jury that Girl X was ‘giddy’ before they met Brianna on the day she died.

And how he said he wanted to explain to police that Girl X had used his hunting knife to kill Brianna but instead lied because he was ‘scared’ officers would ‘tell him off.’

The Trial takes listeners behind the headlines and into the courtrooms of some of the biggest criminal cases in the world.

The first series, 'The Trial of Lucy Letby' received more than 13 million downloads.

Season Two focussed on the murder of Ashling Murphy, a 23 year old teacher from Ireland.

Season Three will follow the evidence as the jury hears it in twice weekly reports from The Daily Mail's Northern Correspondent, Liz Hull, and broadcast journalist, Caroline Cheetham.

They'll take you into the courtroom to bring you the details as the evidence unfolds, to examine key moments and to carry out exclusive interviews with detectives, victims and experts.

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In today’s episode we’ll hear the prosecutor insist that ‘both defendants played a part in the murder of Brianna’.

But we’ll also hear Girl C’s barrister say that she couldn’t be responsible because there was ‘not even so much as a microscopic droplet of blood’ found on her clothes.

Meanwhile, Boy Y’s barrister has argued he was just an ‘extra’ in the tragic murder, which Gril X orchestrated, directed and carried out.

Both defendants deny murder

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In this episode Caroline and Liz examine the final part of the prosecution opening of their case as it was presented to the court.

They reveal how the jury has been told that the two teenagers accused of her murder had allegedly planned to kill her two weeks earlier but that Brianna had failed to show up.

The court has also heard how a handwritten 'murder plan' and clothing stained in Brianna's blood were discovered at their homes following their arrest.

And the first people to come across Brianna's body after she had been stabbed have told of their horror, as the trial moves into hearing evidence from the witnesses.

The Trial takes listeners behind the headlines and into the courtrooms of some of the biggest trials in the world.

The first series ‘The Trial of Lucy Letby’ was a global hit, with more than 13 million downloads, while season two focused on the murder of Ashling Murphy, a 23-year-old teacher from Ireland.

Its third season follows the tragic case of Brianna Ghey, a 16-year-old transgender girl killed in Warrington, England.

Follow the evidence as the jury hears it, in twice-weekly reports from The Daily Mail’s Northern Correspondent Liz Hull and broadcast journalist Caroline Cheetham. 

They’ll take you into the courtroom, bringing you the detail as the evidence unfolds, examining key moments and carrying out exclusive interviews with detectives, victims, and experts.

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