Congress is considering a major anti-poverty reform: giving states more flexibility to redesign welfare and social safety net programs.

In this episode, AEI Senior Fellow Angela Rachidi joins host Nic Dunn to discuss benefit cliffs, the Upward Mobility Act, and whether state-led innovation could help more families achieve self-reliance through things like empowerment accounts.

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