In this episode of Culture Matters, Ty and Taryn sit down with Dr. Jonathan Pennington to explore how metaphors do far more than decorate our teaching—they shape our understanding of reality itself. Drawing from philosophy, neuroscience, theology, and personal experience, Dr. Pennington helps us see how metaphors are central to how we communicate truth, especially in Christian teaching, counseling, and daily life.

In This Episode

02:00 – What is a Metaphor? Why Language is Embodied

07:00 – Metaphor as Epistemology: Knowing Through Analogy

10:00 – Shared Cultural Frameworks & the Power of Illustration

14:00 – Using Metaphor in Counseling and Pastoral Care

18:00 – Harmful Church Metaphors and Reframing with Love

23:00 – Scales vs. Cups: Metaphors of Anxiety and Trust

28:00 – Metaphors Shape How We See and Live

33:00 – Judicial vs. Kingdom: Re-centering Gospel Language

37:00 – Jesus the Rebuilder: From Sump Pumps to Spirit-Filled Life

42:00 – Practical Takeaways: How We Talk About God Matters

Guest Resources

• Dr. Jonathan Pennington's previous episode: Wisdom and Relationships (2023)
• Dr. Pennington’s website
• Dr. Pennington’s podcast: Human Flourishing

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