The Whole Therapist

Abby and Kellee explore how integration takes time. They relate this back to therapists often feeling guilt or shame when they don’t get a moment in a session just right, a rupture occurs, or a task needed to be done that did not get completed. They provide language example therapists or supervisors can use when needing to “try again.” 

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Abby and Kellee explore what "Scope of Practice," means, and how it shifts throughout a therapists' career. They come to this topic using an attachment lens as they explore fears that come up for therapists when trying new approaches or working with new populations. 

Topics touched on:  

Circle of Security: https://www.circleofsecurityinternational.com/login/?mepr-unauth-page=1994&redirect_to=%2Fmembers%2Fmy-profile%2F

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Abby and Kellee spend time exploring inner stories they might hold around clients not wanting to see another therapist or explicitly saying they “need you.” They move into describing the somatic feelings and wonder out loud how listeners navigate these dynamics internally or externally. 

Topics Touched on:

Holding the Split: Attachment, Divorce, and Self of the Therapist: www.abbyesquivel.com

Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com

Oak Tree excerpt: https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/the-lost-spells_jackie-morris_robert-macfarlane/25347706/item/88496965/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=pmax_high_vol_scarce_%2410_%2450_17400876848&utm_adgroup=&utm_term=&utm_content=&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=17400878123&gbraid=0AAAAADwY45hgnbhFEljQq9r4Cn6-CTDGU&gclid=Cj0KCQjwlqTRBhCBARIsANrkrxjhaqXJZD4XPwnJu_-Whm5vZZpRHFSfIfW66MUIq86lzmyJsLRNwZ4aAoA8EALw_wcB#idiq=88496965&edition=27078928

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Abby and Kellee kick off a new season of The Whole Therapist. Both are returning from maternity leave and are making shifts in their practice. They use this episode to encourage listeners to think through when and how they decide to make shifts in their own practice. Honoring the need for a shift is highlighted. 

 Topics Touched on:

Holding the Split: Attachment, Divorce, and Self of the Therapist:

www.abbyesquivel.com

Rebodying the Self of the Healer: 

https://www.marshalllyles.com/event-details/rebodying-the-self-of-the-healer-9-month-program 

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Honoring Your Own Inner Celebrity 

In this episode Kellee and Abby explore “celebrity therapists.” They talk through how the field looks to these therapists, but in doing this may miss other gifted healers who don’t have the same status. They draw parallels between the cultural of our field and religion and get curious about the messages of “good therapist,” and “bad therapist.” Abby and Kellee encourage listeners to embrace their own unique healing abilities. 

 Topics Touched on:

Predatory Education: https://sarahpeyton.com

Eternal Song Documentary: https://theeternalsong.org

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Kellee and Abby dive into the problems with CEU’s across the field as a whole in this episode, but move specifically to discuss the Association of Play Therapy’s (APT) 12-hour in-person CEU requirement. Abby and Kellee express their opinion around the incongruence of APT’s DEI statement and their in-person CEU requirement. They go on further to explore the field’s origins of white supremacy, ableism, and problematic Western measures of learning, and the need for more expansive ways to deepen our work as therapists. They emphasize the need for consultation and mentoring above webinars. Kellee and Abby hold many privileges, some of which include being two abled bodied pregnant women with the financial means to travel for CEU’s.

 Topics Touched on:

EMDRIA- https://www.emdria.org/

APT- https://www.a4pt.org/default.aspx

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Abby and Kellee talk through basics of looking for, applying for, and interviewing for your internship placement. They discuss the use of AI, and ways to use it appropriately in this process. 

Topics Touched on:

Rupi Kaur

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Abby and Kellee explore how grief often accompanies goodbyes, and that goodbyes can also hold happiness and hope. They notice how endings and goodbyes can feel different for each therapist and each therapist/client dyad. They reflect on their own relationship with goodbyes in an out of the therapy space. 

 Topics Touched on:

Circle of Security- https://www.circleofsecurityinternational.com

Padraig O Tuama

Maya Ward

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Abby and Kellee recorded on 1/31/25 and began exploring how to hold space for marginalized clients who are impacted by executive orders and fear of or actual detainments of themselves and loved ones. 

Topics Touched on:

Colorado Immigrant Rights Coalition: https://coloradoimmigrant.org/

Decolonizing Therapy (Jaiya john): https://www.decolonizingtherapy.com

Iain McGilchrist: https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300245929/the-master-and-his-emissary/

Enough About You- Titus Kaphar: https://www.kapharstudio.com

Masharll Lyles: https://www.marshalllyles.com

Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com/

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Abby and Kellee jump into a new season with the new year. They explore the ebbs and flows of their rhythms over the last 5 years of recordings, and how they have shifted as healers. Abby and Kellee highlight the importance of slowing down, community, intentionality, and how “being with” is truly enough for our clients healing. 

Topics Touched on:

Rebodying the Self of the Healer - REGISTER NOW: https://www.marshalllyles.com

Maggie Smith’s poem- How Dark the Beginning: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/152103/how-dark-the-beginning

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