Honoring Your Own Inner Celebrity 

In this episode Kellee and Abby explore “celebrity therapists.” They talk through how the field looks to these therapists, but in doing this may miss other gifted healers who don’t have the same status. They draw parallels between the cultural of our field and religion and get curious about the messages of “good therapist,” and “bad therapist.” Abby and Kellee encourage listeners to embrace their own unique healing abilities. 

 Topics Touched on:

Predatory Education: https://sarahpeyton.com

Eternal Song Documentary: https://theeternalsong.org

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Kellee and Abby dive into the problems with CEU’s across the field as a whole in this episode, but move specifically to discuss the Association of Play Therapy’s (APT) 12-hour in-person CEU requirement. Abby and Kellee express their opinion around the incongruence of APT’s DEI statement and their in-person CEU requirement. They go on further to explore the field’s origins of white supremacy, ableism, and problematic Western measures of learning, and the need for more expansive ways to deepen our work as therapists. They emphasize the need for consultation and mentoring above webinars. Kellee and Abby hold many privileges, some of which include being two abled bodied pregnant women with the financial means to travel for CEU’s.

 Topics Touched on:

EMDRIA- https://www.emdria.org/

APT- https://www.a4pt.org/default.aspx

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Abby and Kellee talk through basics of looking for, applying for, and interviewing for your internship placement. They discuss the use of AI, and ways to use it appropriately in this process. 

Topics Touched on:

Rupi Kaur

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Abby and Kellee explore how grief often accompanies goodbyes, and that goodbyes can also hold happiness and hope. They notice how endings and goodbyes can feel different for each therapist and each therapist/client dyad. They reflect on their own relationship with goodbyes in an out of the therapy space. 

 Topics Touched on:

Circle of Security- https://www.circleofsecurityinternational.com

Padraig O Tuama

Maya Ward

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Abby and Kellee recorded on 1/31/25 and began exploring how to hold space for marginalized clients who are impacted by executive orders and fear of or actual detainments of themselves and loved ones. 

Topics Touched on:

Colorado Immigrant Rights Coalition: https://coloradoimmigrant.org/

Decolonizing Therapy (Jaiya john): https://www.decolonizingtherapy.com

Iain McGilchrist: https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300245929/the-master-and-his-emissary/

Enough About You- Titus Kaphar: https://www.kapharstudio.com

Masharll Lyles: https://www.marshalllyles.com

Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com/

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Abby and Kellee jump into a new season with the new year. They explore the ebbs and flows of their rhythms over the last 5 years of recordings, and how they have shifted as healers. Abby and Kellee highlight the importance of slowing down, community, intentionality, and how “being with” is truly enough for our clients healing. 

Topics Touched on:

Rebodying the Self of the Healer - REGISTER NOW: https://www.marshalllyles.com

Maggie Smith’s poem- How Dark the Beginning: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/152103/how-dark-the-beginning

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Abby and Kellee explore superiority, humility, arrogance, and how they show up for therapists. They give examples of how they have and do fall down this slippery slope (even while they record this episode) Abby and Kellee discuss the therapists’ parts of self that can show up in sessions where we may believe we are better and/or able to influence the outcomes for clients resulting in lack of true presence. How do we set this part aside to be fully curious? 

 Topics Touched on:
Adrienne Maree Brown:
https://adriennemareebrown.net/blog/

On Being with Krista Tippett:
https://onbeing.org/programs/dacher-keltner-the-thrilling-new-science-of-awe/

Dr. Meldoy Brown:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapists/melody-m-brown-denver-co/774548

Bittersweet by Susan Cain:
https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/bittersweet_susan-cain/29217911/item/53180813/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=high_vol_frontlist_standard_shopping_customer_acquisition&utm_adgroup=&utm_term=&utm_content=689361939032&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADwY45goxXpmMinAST89X0a2cqzqd&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI8uqo---KigMVnEH_AR3riAElEAQYAiABEgL49fD_BwE#idiq=53180813&edition=60291104

The Development of a Therapist. Healing Others. Healing Self: Louis Cozolino:
https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954

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Abby and Kellee start to explore the word accountability and sift through their intention for the episode. They come to name self-reflection and community. Abby and Kellee talk authenticity and explore internalizing nurture from those in their community; which supports them in bringing this into the therapy space. They ask listeners to identify who they can be their truest self with; to practice authenticity and gain internalized nurturing that allows them to show up congruently with clients. 

 Topics Touched on:

 The Development of a Therapist. Healing Others. Healing Self: Louis Cozolino
https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954

Daria - Accountability Mapping - https://accountabilitymapping.com/

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Kellee and Abby revisit the concept of 'process over content' in therapy, and explore what is bringing them Joy over the last few years since beginning the podcast. They dive into what may be leading therapists into content therapy versus process therapy, and encourage therapists to lean into what makes them feel alive and joyful. 

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Abby and Kellee are back after some big technological struggles. They welcome the community back in and explore the theme of, withholding. They explore withholding EMDR from clients and withholding the truth from clients. Are therapists withholding for a true clinical reason or out of fear? Abby and Kellee ask therapists to ask themselves, “Why might I not be leaning into something that is right here in the room where someone’s nervous system might really benefit from me leaning in?”

 Topics Touched on:

 Annie Monaco- https://www.anniemonaco.com

EMDR- https://www.emdria.org/

Cole Arthur Riley: https://colearthurriley.com/writing/project-one-64g3t 

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