<p><a href= "https://www.city-journal.org/person/martin-gurri" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Martin Gurri</a> joins <a href= "https://www.city-journal.org/person/brian-c-anderson" target= "_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Brian C. Anderson</a> to discuss how we can transcend the pettiness and corruption of our current political moment.</p>

Martin Gurri joins Brian C. Anderson to discuss how we can transcend the pettiness and corruption of our current political moment.

<p><a href="https://www.city-journal.org/person/martin-gurri" rel="noopener noreferrer">Martin Gurri</a> joins <a href="https://www.city-journal.org/person/brian-c-anderson" rel="noopener noreferrer">Brian C. Anderson</a> to discuss how we can transcend the pettiness and corruption of our current political moment.</p>

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