Eddie Mair: You were sitting next to Boris Johnson during the speech, do you think people want Bernard Manning as foreign secretary?
Amber Rudd: I dont quite agree with that approach, I think that the foreign secretary has an important job to do and will be getting on and doing it.
EM: I want to ask you about Theresa May’s judgement in appointing and keeping Boris Johnson as foreign secretary. As you know he said last night that the Libyan city Sirte "could be the new Dubai” adding “all they have to do is clear the dead bodies away.” He hasn’t apologised, why doesn't she sack him?
AR: The prime minister can appoint her own cabinet, we know that, Boris has set out his full explanation of why
EM: …no he hasn’t, he has merely criticised the critics.
AR: He has set out his view on the situation in Sirte, he has expanded on it, and you know what…
EM: “He has said that it’s a shame that people with no knowledge or understanding of Libya want to play politics” he said...
AR: I think he said a bit more than that.
EM: Well I can read the rest of the quote but he didn’t apologise.
AR: Well by all means if you really think the public…I didn’t suggest that he had, that was your phrase. I’m not going to be drawn further down the Boris vortex Eddie, but I’m very happy to discuss anything else in the speech or the policies that are really relevant to people at home.
EM: Well I think foreign policy is relevant isn’t it, as well as the Conservative MPs who think he should go, Guma El-Gamaty the leader of the of the Taghyeer Party and a member of the UN backed Libyan political dialogue process said this about those comments:
"It upsets me because it comes from a very high ranking official who is in charge of the foreign policy of the united kingdom. And it upsets me because it totally disregards the human aspect of the young Libyans who died."
Again, I ask you about Theresa May’s judgement in appointing and keeping Boris Johnson as foreign secretary.
AR: It is up to the Prime Minister who she appoints and keeps.
EM: Why doesn’t she sack him?
AR: As I say it is up to the Prime Minister.
EM: And I’m asking about her judgement. When she appointed him she knew he had published a poem about the Turkish president having sex with a goat. She knew he had described president Obama as part Kenyan. She knew he had referred to "Papua New Guinea style orgies of cannibalism and chief killing." She knew he talked about tribal warriors in Congo breaking out in watermelon smiles. And she knew he said that Liverpool had failed to acknowledge the role what he called “drunken fans” played in the Hillsborough disaster.
I suggest to you the reason Theresa May doesn’t sack him is because she fears a leadership challenge. She is prepared to send out Boris Johnson to represent the United Kingdom around the world in order to protect her own job.
AR: Well those are your views Eddie.
EM: I’m suggesting it to you, what do you think?
AR: You can and I , well I think that Boris Johnson does a great job as foreign secretary in many ways, i know he has a colourful way of expressing things sometimes
EM: Colourful!
AR: And the comments that if other people can get upset by are sometimes I agree ill judged, but I don’t think we should condemn him from some from one particular issue that he might have attacked inappropriately.
EM: What one particular issue, I gave you a whole list! My question was about Theresa May’s judgement.
AR: I trust her judgement Eddie.
EM: The Home Secretary, Amber Rudd.