The World Wise Podcast

The World Wise Podcast

By Rajika BhandariSociety & Culture
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  • 45: Rising to every challenge: Marlene M. Johnson on a life of politics, leadership, and love

    This episode’s guest is someone that many have known for her longstanding leadership in international education, but some of us might not have known her as a businesswoman, a political leader, a caregiver, and as a newly minted author. Marlene M. Johnson was the Executive Director and CEO of NAFSA: Association of International Educators for almost two decades and prior to that was Minnesota’s first woman Lieutenant Governor. She is co-founder of the Minnesota Chapter of the National Association of Women Business Owners and the Minnesota Women’s Campaign Fund. She is now on the advisory board of Kakenya’s Dream, a board member of the Washington Office on Latin America, and a trustee of the Alexandria Trust. In 1988, she was awarded the Royal Order of the Polar Star by the Kingdom of Sweden. In this episode we go behind the scenes with Marlene about her life and her new book, Rise to the Challenge: A memoir of politics, leadership, and love.

    Episode highlights:

    • Marlene’s reflections about her life’s journey and how the book came about.
    • How Marlene’s career in politics and business and her early international exposure prepared her to be a non-traditional candidate yet a good fit for the role of NAFSA’s CEO and Executive Director.
    • The “ability to punt” and how this attribute served Marlene well while leading NAFSA, whether it was weathering the Asian financial crisis that impacted Asian international students or the impact of 9/11 on the international education sector.
    • Marlene’s legacy of calling for a national policy on international education and her thoughts on where we stand now.
    • Is the U.S. poised to have its first woman president and one whose life—coincidentally—reflects the legacy of international education? Marlene weighs in.
    • The poignant love story of Marlene’s life with her husband, Peter, and how their relationship influenced her and shaped her as a leader.
    • Marlene’s top 2-3 pieces of advice for women leaders.
    • Episode Resources:

      • Get Marlene’s new book here or from Amazon
        • Listen to: Episode 8 with LaNitra Berger and Episode 36 with Fanta Aw of NAFSA
          • MPOWER Financing’s Social Impact Report
          • My book:  ⁠⁠America Calling: A Foreign Student in a Country of Possibility
          • Sign up for ⁠⁠America Calling: my take on the intersection of education, culture and migration⁠⁠
          • Connect with me: ⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠, ⁠⁠X⁠⁠, ⁠Instagram
          • This episode was made possible by the generous support of MPOWER Financing.


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          • 44. The trifecta of being a Black, Undocumented, and Immigrant Student: Dr. Felecia Russell on her new book

            Within the broader national conversation about undocumented students and dreamers, there’s a group of students who are almost invisible and who don’t get sufficient attention yet whose experience is a complex interplay of race and immigration in America. The topic for this episode is Black undocumented students and the guest is Dr. Felecia Russell, the author of the new book, Amplifying Black Undocumented Student Voices in Higher Education. Drawing upon her own experience, Felecia has served as the Director of College Access at two high schools, the Director of Undergraduate Admissions at Cal Lutheran University, and now as the Director of the Higher Ed Immigration Portal at the Presidents Alliance on Higher Education and Immigration.

            Episode Themes:

            • Felecia’s journey from Jamaica to Los Angeles, and eventually discovering that she was undocumented.
            • Experiences of black undocumented students in the US, their feelings of invisibility and the interplay of race and immigrant status.   
            • What Felecia learned from interviewing other Black undocumented students for her book.
            • Black immigrant identity and the Black diaspora in the U.S.
            • Felecia’s experience with writing a book that is both research and a personal narrative.
            • Advocacy for undocumented black students. What can campuses do to support Black undocumented students?
            • Felecia’s advice for young, undocumented Black students today.
            • Episode Resources:

              • Follow ⁠⁠Felecia on LinkedIn
              • Check out Felecia’s new book and the recording from the book launch
              • Learn more about Embracing Undocumented
              • Learn more about the Presidents’ Alliance and its resources
              • Listen to episode 32 with Dip Patel
              • My book:  ⁠⁠America Calling: A Foreign Student in a Country of Possibility
              • Sign up for ⁠⁠America Calling: my take on the intersection of education, culture and migration⁠⁠
              • Connect with me: ⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠, ⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠, ⁠Instagram
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              • 43. Four African Students, MIT, and dreams of a Made-in-America degree: Arthur Musah on his new film, Brief Tender Light

                Season 4 of the World Wise podcast kicks off with a conversation about African international students, film-making, and storytelling! Until some years ago there were no personal narratives about international students or the complexities of the student and immigrant journey. But this type of storytelling is important because it helps add context to the numbers and statistics that we are all familiar with. Just this year, over 50,000 students from sub-Saharan Africa studied in the U.S., a record increase over past years. But how much do we really know about the lives and stories behind those numbers? In this episode we go behind the scenes of the lives of African students in the U.S. with filmmaker, Arthur Musah, to discuss his latest and award-winning film, Brief Tender Light.

                Episode themes:

                • Arthur’s vision for Brief Tender Light and why it is a film that tells a “modern African story”
                • Arthur’s family's history of studying abroad and how mobility patterns and the African diaspora have shifted over time
                • The film’s themes of youthful idealism and the sense of responsibility that international students carry with them, and how this evolves as they navigate their journeys as immigrants
                • How African international students navigate race and their own identities in the U.S.
                • How we change once we leave home and how the experience of studying abroad is both about learning, unlearning, and re-learning
                • The distance from home, the overwhelming disconnection, and the emotional, social, and psychological toll that international students pay in exchange for pursuing their American Dream and how this affects their mental health and well-being 
                • Arthur’s journey from being an engineering student to becoming an artist and filmmaker.
                • With almost half the world’s young talent coming from Africa by 2030, what Arthur wants American colleges and universities to take away from his film.
                • Episode Resources

                  • Learn about the PBS release of Brief Tender Light
                  • Follow ⁠⁠Arthur and his film company on LinkedIn, X and Instagram 
                  • Listen to these episodes about Africa and African students, and about film-making: episode 7; episode 13; episode 27; and episode 10 
                  • My book:  ⁠⁠America Calling: A Foreign Student in a Country of Possibility
                  • Sign up for ⁠⁠America Calling: my take on the intersection of education, culture and migration⁠⁠
                  • Connect with me: ⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠, ⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠, ⁠Instagram





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                  • 42. How an engineer-turned-social entrepreneur is solving women's health issues: Grameen Foundation President & CEO, Zubaida Bai

                    In this episode, I return to one of my favorite topics: gender issues except that this time around, we focus on global women’s health issues and particularly reproductive issues. This episode’s guest is very special because she has not only impacted the lives of thousands of girls and women around the world, but she is also a former international student from India. Zubaida Bai is the president and CEO of Grameen Foundation, headquartered in Washington, DC. She is a social entrepreneur and women's health advocate with more than 18 years in the social impact space. She is the founder of Ayzh®, a social enterprise based in India that designs vital healthcare products to improve the health and happiness of women and girls across their reproductive lives. Bai has been recognized as a Young Global Leader by the World Economic Forum, a Maternal Health Champion by Ashoka, a TED Fellow/ Speaker, and named a United Nations SDG 3 Pioneer by the United Nations Global Compact (UNGC). She is a Visiting Social Innovator with Harvard University’s Social Innovative Change Initiative (SICI) and a member of the Governing Body at SEMA (Shaping Equitable Market Access) for Reproductive Health.

                    Episode Themes:

                    • Zubaida’s journey as a first-generation college student in India to becoming an international student 

                    • How Zubaida’s international education experience in Sweden and the US transformed her and her thinking around women’s health issues

                    • Connecting the dots between engineering and social entrepreneurship

                    • What Zubaida’s leadership of the Grameen Foundation and her hopes for leading the organization into its next 25 years and beyond

                    • In addition to health, what are the most pressing issues that we need to address when it comes to girls and women in Global South countries?

                    • Zubaida’s views on the current global situation around women’s reproductive rights

                    • Zubaid’s experiences as a woman leader from the Global South and her advice for young women embarking on the path of social entrepreneurship and who want to create social impact

                    • Episode Resources:

                      • Follow ⁠⁠Zubaida on LinkedIn 

                        • Listen to Zubaida’s TED Talk here.

                          • My book:  ⁠⁠America Calling: A Foreign Student in a Country of Possibility

                            • Sign up for ⁠⁠America Calling: my take on the intersection of education, culture and migration⁠⁠

                              • Connect with me: ⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠, ⁠⁠X⁠⁠, ⁠Instagram

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                              • 41: Admissions Tests as a Window to Worldwide Opportunity: Rohit Sharma of ETS

                                If you’re someone who has aspired to study in the U.S. then you’re probably familiar with the range of admissions tests you likely had to consider or take. These might include the

                                TOEFL, or the Test of English as a Foreign Language, to assess someone’s English proficiency for university study, immigration and more, and that is accepted by more than 10,000 organizations in 130 countries, including top English-speaking universities worldwide. More than 30 million people have taken the TOEFL test. And then there
                                is the GRE test, the world’s most widely used admissions test for graduate and professional school. Just over 341,000 people took the GRE admissions test between 2021 and 2022 and 75% of them were outside the U.S., and many of them from India. This episode’s guest is Rohit Sharma, Senior Vice President for Global Higher Education and Workskills at ETS—or the Educational Testing Service—the U.S.-based organization that conducts these important tests. Rohit is himself a former international student from India and now oversees ETS’s engagement in international higher education and also its new focus on
                                upskilling and skill development for adult workers. Prior to joining ETS in 2022, Rohit has held senior leadership roles across higher education, training, certification and workforce
                                development sectors, with over two decades of international experience covering more than 25 countries and jurisdictions. In today’s conversation we talk about the value of international students and why ETS is at the forefront of fostering student mobility; how tests like the GRE aim to be responsive to a diverse and global student population; and yes—the topic on everyone’s minds these days—how AI will affect testing and assessment.

                                Episode Themes:

                                • Rohit’s own journey of taking ETS tests when coming to the U.S. to study and now coming full circle to work for the world’s largest testing and assessment organization
                                • Why ETS is focused on keeping the door open to international students in the U.S.
                                • How ETS ensures that its tests are fair, unbiased, and culturally sensitive for test-takers from diverse backgrounds
                                • ETS’s new focus on  upskilling and reskilling adults and why it matters
                                • How AI will affect the future of testing and assessment
                                • When it comes to higher education or jobs, what excites Rohit the most about this particular moment in time
                                • Episode Resources:

                                  • Follow ⁠Rohit⁠ on LinkedIn
                                    • Check out MPOWER Financing's ⁠Social Impact Report⁠
                                      • My book:  ⁠America Calling: A Foreign Student in a Country of Possibilit⁠y
                                        • Sign up for ⁠America Calling: my take on the intersection of education, culture and migration⁠
                                          • Connect with me: ⁠LinkedIn⁠, ⁠Twitter⁠, Instagram
                                          • Episode sponsor:

                                            This episode was made possible by the generous support of ⁠MPOWER Financing⁠ which provides no-cosigner loans and scholarships for international, DACA, and refugee students. Headquartered in Washington DC, MPOWER has to date helped tens of thousands of students fund their educational dreams and journeys.

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                                          • 40. Where are the missing girls and women in STEM? A conversation with Pari Lennartz

                                            In this episode we explore the continuing global gender gap in

                                            STEM fields when it comes to studying engineering and pursuing STEM careers. Globally, women make up only 28% of the workforce
                                            in science, technology, engineering and math (STEM) and it doesn’t get any better at the country level: in the U.S., the figure stands at only 24%; at 17% in the European Union; 16% in Japan; and 14% in India.

                                            This episode’s guest is Parimala (“Pari”) Lennartz, VP of

                                            Engineering at MPOWER Financing which is also the generous sponsor of this episode. Pari is a widely recognized woman leader in the Financial Technology (Fintech) industry, was recently named to a list of top women in the Fintech industry by The Fintech Times, and is also a vocal advocate for increasing the number of girls and women who pursue STEM fields.

                                            Episode themes:

                                            • Pari’s personal and professional journey as a STEM student in India, to coming to the U.S. as an international student, and to eventually becoming the VP of Engineering at a major Fintech
                                            • firm
                                            • The persistent “leaky pipeline” due to which women continue to drop out of engineering education and careers
                                            • How MPOWER’s loan model is having a unique impact on female international students from Global South countries
                                            • When it comes to STEM education and careers, do women in emerging markets or Global South countries face more challenges than their counterparts in the U.S.?
                                            • As a top woman leader in the Fintech industry, what Pari is doing to advance gender parity in STEM, and her excellent educational and professional advice for girls and women who dream of being scientists and engineers
                                            • Episode Resources:

                                              • Follow Pari and MPOWER Financing on LinkedIn
                                                • Read Pari’s op-ed in CEO World Magazine
                                                  • Listen to Episode 12 with Gloria Blackwell of AAUW and Episode 14 with Fereshteh Forough of Code to Inspire
                                                    • Check out MPOWER Financing's Social Impact Report
                                                      • My book:  America Calling: A Foreign Student in a Country of Possibility
                                                        • Sign up for America Calling: my take on the intersection of education, culture and migration
                                                          • Connect with me: LinkedIn, Twitter
                                                          • Episode sponsor:

                                                            This episode was made possible by the generous support of MPOWER Financing which provides no-cosigner loans and scholarships for international, DACA, and refugee students. Headquartered in Washington DC, MPOWER has to date helped tens of thousands of students fund their educational dreams and journeys.

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                                                          • 39. Student journeys between Berkeley and Seoul: A conversation with scholar and author, Stephanie K. Kim

                                                            The World Wise podcast is back after a brief summer break! This episode focuses on student migration and mobility, a topic that we have often covered on this show. Today's guest, Dr. Stephanie K. Kim, offers a very different perspective, and in this conversation with her we move between Berkeley, California, and Seoul in South Korea to better understand how international students—mainly South Korean students—make choices about their studies, but also how universities themselves help shape these choices and pathways. Stephanie is an Associate Professor at Georgetown

                                                            University in Washington DC where she specializes in comparative and
                                                            international higher education and researches and writes about international students, higher education reform, and higher education policy in the United States and countries in Asia. She has just published a new book which is the theme of this episode.

                                                            Episode Themes:

                                                            • The journey between Berkeley and Seoul and how these two cities figured in Stephanie's journey as a scholar of student mobility
                                                            • How Stephanie's new book, Constructing Student Mobility: How Universities Recruit Students and Shape Pathways Between Berkeley and Seoul, offers a new angle to the burgeoning field of student mobility research
                                                            • Stephanie's journey as an author and on navigating the publishing journey
                                                            • Understanding Korean international students--the third largest group of international students in the U.S.--and how their interests have evolved over time and how the pursuit of a global education begins early for many Korean students and families.
                                                            • How Stephanie's personal journey as a Korean American has shaped the work that she does as a scholar and researcher of student mobility
                                                            • Episode Resources:

                                                              Follow Stephanie on Twitter and LinkedIn

                                                              Listen to Episode 24 with Professor Yingyi Ma

                                                              Check out MPOWER Financing's Social Impact Report

                                                              My book:  America Calling: A Foreign Student in a Country of Possibility

                                                              Sign up for America Calling: my take on the intersection of education, culture and migration

                                                              Connect with me: LinkedIn, Twitter

                                                              Episode sponsor:

                                                              This episode was made possible by the generous support of MPOWER Financing which provides no-cosigner loans and scholarships for international, DACA, and refugee students. Headquartered in Washington DC, MPOWER has to date helped tens of thousands of students fund their educational dreams and journeys.

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                                                            • 38. Why Immigrants Make Great Entrepreneurs: A conversation with entrepeneur and investor, Mike P. Davis

                                                              Why are immigrants drawn to entrepreneurship? The statistics are quite staggering: according to the National Foundation for American Policy (NFAP), immigrants have launched over half of America’s startup companies valued at $1 billion or more, and almost 80% of America’s unicorn companies (privately-held, billion-dollar companies) have an immigrant founder or an immigrant in a key leadership role. This episode’s guest is Mike P. Davis, successful technology serial entrepreneur-turned-investor who is passionate about education, financial well-being, and bridging the gender- and immigrant-wealth gaps. The episode draws upon Mike’s own immigrant background and focuses on why immigrants make excellent entrepreneurs and why we should invest in them and their ideas.

                                                              Episode Themes:

                                                              • Mike’s early global personal and educational journey and what sparked his interest in dabbling in entrepreneurial projects.
                                                              • Mike’s reflections on his transformational educational journey at INSEAD in France
                                                              • Why Mike has been inspired to found companies like MPOWER and Olive Tree Ridge
                                                              • Opportunities and barriers for immigrant and women entrepreneurs in the U.S.
                                                              • Why immigrants make for great entrepreneurs and why so many businesses are immigrant-owned
                                                              • Mike’s top advice for immigrant entrepreneurs
                                                              • Episode Resources:

                                                                Mike's interview in Authority Magazine

                                                                Follow Mike on Twitter and LinkedIn

                                                                Listen to Episode 19 with Ronit Avni

                                                                Check out MPOWER Financing's Social Impact Report

                                                                My book:  America Calling: A Foreign Student in a Country of Possibility

                                                                Sign up for America Calling: my take on the intersection of education, culture and migration

                                                                Connect with me: LinkedIn, Twitter

                                                                Episode sponsor:

                                                                This episode was made possible by the generous support of MPOWER Financing which provides no-cosigner loans and scholarships for international,

                                                                DACA, and refugee students. Headquartered in Washington DC, MPOWER has to date helped tens of thousands of students fund their educational dreams and journeys.

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                                                              • 37. It's never too early to develop global thinking: David Janes of the Global Citizens Initiative

                                                                Research shows that children and youth who are exposed to global ideas at a younger age are more likely to be globally engaged and to study abroad as adults. Shaping global mindsets and global citizenship needs to begin early. This episode’s guest is David Janes, Executive Director of the Global Citizens Initiative, a

                                                                nonprofit whose programs and resources empower young global citizens around the world. David has had a long career in international education, global affairs,
                                                                and philanthropy, with a focus on Japan and Asia. He came to GCI after serving as Chief Advancement Officer at the Okinawa Institute of Science and Technology Graduate University
                                                                (OIST) and President and CEO of the OIST Foundation, which has a strong focus on education. This episode also focuses on David’s experience as a seasoned nonprofit founder and leader.

                                                                Episode themes:

                                                                • The Global Citizens Initiative model and its grounding in research from Project Zero and the Harvard Graduate School of Education
                                                                • David’s early exposure to global thinking in high school and how this led to a career in U.S.-Japan relations
                                                                • David’s passion for building bridges between the U.S. and Asia through education and how this led him to found EngageAsia, a U.S.-based nonprofit that fosters cross-cultural understanding and builds community throughout the Asia Pacific region through innovative education programs
                                                                • Key challenges and opportunities that nonprofit leaders face during this post-pandemic phase     
                                                                • Lessons and advice for those wanting to launch and lead nonprofit organizations
                                                                • Episode resources:

                                                                  Toward the 21st Century: Education for a changing world, by Edwin O. Reischauer

                                                                  Follow David on LinkedIn and GCI on LinkedIn

                                                                  During Asian American Heritage Month 2023, listen to Episode 23 with Neil Ruiz of the Pew Research Center, episode 24 with Yingyi Ma of Syracuse University, and episode 20 with author, Dori Yang

                                                                  My book:  America Calling: A Foreign Student in a Country of Possibility

                                                                  Sign up for America Calling: my take on the intersection of education, culture and migration

                                                                  Connect with me: LinkedIn, Twitter

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                                                                • 36. How being a global nomad leads to nimble leadership: Fanta Aw of NAFSA

                                                                  This episode features Dr. Fanta Aw, the new Executive Director and CEO of NAFSA: the association of international educators. A highly-respected academic and nonprofit leader and scholar, Dr. Aw reflects on her global personal and professional journey and how these multifaceted experiences have prepared her exceptionally well to take on her new role and advance the field of international education in the U.S. and globally. Dr. Aw previously served as NAFSA’s President and Chair of the Board of Directors and has spent her academic and professional careers at American University in Washington, D.C. An award-winning teacher, she served as the Hurst Senior Professorial Lecturer at AU’s School of International Service. She also sits on the Global Advisory Board of Times Higher Education and previously chaired the board of ETS TOEFL.

                                                                  Episode themes:

                                                                  • Originally from Mali, how being a "third culture kid" and global nomad prepared Fanta for a career in international education and has helped her be a nimble leader, adapting to changing times
                                                                  • How international and immigrant-students are faring on US campuses today and what is needed to support them
                                                                  • The international education dynamics between the Global North and the Global South and how the balance of power is shifting to the developing world
                                                                  • What the appointment of the first foreign-born, immigrant-origin, woman of color to lead a major higher education association means for NAFSA and its
                                                                  • future
                                                                  • Has the field of international made progress when it comes to diversity, access, and inclusion?
                                                                  • What excites yet scares Fanta about her new role at NAFSA
                                                                  • Leadership lessons and advice for women leaders
                                                                  • Episode resources:

                                                                    Follow Fanta on Twitter and LinkedIn

                                                                    Listen to Episode 8 with LaNitra Berger

                                                                    Check out MPOWER Financing's Social Impact Report

                                                                    My book:  America Calling: A Foreign Student in a Country of Possibility

                                                                    Sign up for America Calling: my take on the intersection of education, culture and migration

                                                                    Connect with me: LinkedIn, Twitter

                                                                    Episode sponsor:

                                                                    This episode was made possible by the generous support of MPOWER Financing which provides no-cosigner loans and scholarships for international, DACA, and refugee students. Headquartered in Washington DC, MPOWER has to date helped tens of thousands of students fund their educational dreams and journeys.

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                                                                  The World Wise Podcast is a weekly take on the intersections of education, culture, and (im)migration. Join Dr. Rajika Bhandari, international higher education expert and author of America Calling: A…