Welcome to The WorshipWorkshop Podcast, where we help you grow a stronger team that leads engaging worship.

An Interview with Jay Kim

Back in January, when few of us ever dreamed that COVID-19 would shut down our church buildings, I recorded this conversation pastor and author, Jay Kim, about his book, Analog Church: Why We Need Real People, Places, and Things in the Digital Age.

In this book, and during this conversation, Jay sheds light on how technology and the pursuit of relevance is damaging the church.

However, this book and this episode are releasing in March of 2020, when all we have is "digital church" when it comes to gathering for worship.

Don't think for a moment that this discredits what Jay is saying. I believe our current situation will amplify his message that digital is and will never be enough. Technology is a tool, and in many ways, a powerful tool. But it can't be a substitute for gathering, participating, and communing together.

Be sure to listen to the end of the interview, because Jay recorded additional thoughts about Analog Church and the times that we're living in.

Links:

Jay's book, Analog Church: https://amzn.to/2WL3lbp

Jay Kim Thinks: http://jaykimthinks.com/

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But more importantly than that, you're able to help us provide training content for leaders and worship teams literally all over this world, and some who don't have the means to buy products or enroll in a membership program like Worship Workshop.

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Thanks for being a part of the Worship Workshop Podcast. My team and I are so honored to be even a small part of your journey as you build a stronger team that leads engaging worship.

Welcome to the Worship Workshop Podcast where we help you grow a stronger team that leads engaging worship.

We're continuing our exploration of how to use the ancient fourfold pattern of worship in a modern church setting. If you haven’t listened to Part 1 yet (Episode 16), go back and listen to that first.

www.WorshipWorkshop.com/17 

This episode is part two of that conversation with worship leader, teacher, and theologian Rob Still. Even if you are in a modern church setting, don’t dismiss this idea of the fourfold pattern of worship. It’s not just a liturgical thing or just a traditional thing. It can bring a more meaningful journey to your worship services.

In part 2 of this interview, we talk practically about the second two movements of the fourfold pattern and how to include this model in different settings. About Rob Still Rob is worship leader, songwriter, author, and instructor in Nashville, TN.

He is also one of the instructors inside of Worship Workshop. You can connect with Rob at RobStill.com

Resources Mentioned In This Episode:

Set For Sunday: Creative Service Planning at a Sustainable Pace

This RENOV8 Course teaches you how to plan creative and meaningful journeys of worship and how to do it at a sustainable pace. So this course will help you be more creative and intentional, Sunday after Sunday, without burning out.

Learn more here: https://wshp.be/set4sunday

Learn More About Worship Workshop: WorshipWorkshop.com

Support Us On Patreon If you love what we’re doing here on the Podcast and would love to be a part of it, I want to challenge you to become a Patreon supporter. And you can do that for as little as $2 a month. You actually get more value in content and perks than what you contribute monthly.

But more importantly than that, you’re able to help us provide training content for leaders and worship teams literally all over this world, and some who don’t have the means to buy products or enroll in membership a program like Worship Workshop.

So go WorshipWorkshop.com/patreon to become a supporter.

And finally, if you’re not able to partner with us financially right now, but you’d love to help us out, give us a positive review at Apple Podcasts.

You can find that by going to WorshipWorkshop.com/apple.

Thanks for being a part of the Worship Workshop Podcast. My team and I are so honored to be even a small part of your journey as you build a stronger team that leads engaging worship.

Welcome to the Worship Workshop Podcast where we help you grow a stronger team that leads engaging worship.

We’re diving into the practical application of something that Dr. Lester Ruth introduced us to in episode 13, which is the ancient fourfold order of worship. Lester gave us some fantastic ideas to implement that order of worship.

But I wanted to dig even deeper, so I asked worship leader, teacher, and theologian Rob Still to help us apply the fourfold pattern of worship into our modern worship settings. Even if you are in a modern church setting, don’t dismiss this idea of the fourfold pattern of worship. It’s not just a liturgical thing or just a traditional thing. It can bring a more meaningful journey to your worship services.

In part 1 of this interview, we lay the groundwork for understanding how the fourfold pattern of worship fits, and then talk practically about the first two movements. In part 2, we discuss the second two patterns and talk about how to include this model in different settings.

About Rob Still:

Rob is worship leader, songwriter, author, and instructor in Nashville, TN. He is also one of the instructors inside of Worship Workshop. You can connect with Rob at RobStill.com

Resources Mentioned In This Episode:

Set For Sunday: Creative Service Planning at a Sustainable Pace This RENOV8 Course teaches you how to plan creative and meaningful journeys of worship and how to do it at a sustainable pace. So this course will help you be more creative and intentional, Sunday after Sunday, without burning out.

Learn more here: https://wshp.be/set4sunday

Learn More About Worship Workshop: WorshipWorkshop.com

Support Us On Patreon If you love what we’re doing here on the Podcast and would love to be a part of it, I want to challenge you to become a Patreon supporter. And you can do that for as little as $2 a month. You actually get more value in content and perks than what you contribute monthly. But more importantly than that, you’re able to help us provide training content for leaders and worship teams literally all over this world, and some who don’t have the means to buy products or enroll in membership a program like Worship Workshop.

Go WorshipWorkshop.com/patreon to become a supporter.

If you’re not able to partner with us financially right now, but you’d love to help us out, give us a positive review at Apple Podcasts. You can find that by going to WorshipWorkshop.com/apple.

Thanks for being a part of The Worship Workshop Podcast. My team and I are so honored to be even a small part of your journey as you build a stronger team that leads engaging worship.

Welcome to the WorshipWorkshop Podcast where we help you grow a stronger team that leads engaging worship.

Today we are talking about songwriting for the church, and we have an amazing guest to teach and inspire us. This season, we have focused on how to engage your congregation—and we’ve hit this theme from a lot different angles and topics.

Today, we’re continuing that theme, but now centering it around writing original songs that will engage your congregation. So to do that, I got the privilege to do a fantastic interview with a master songwriter who has a heart to create new songs for the church to sing.

She’s won a Dove Award for song of the year, has written songs sung by a whole list of artists and worship leaders that you know, and she is actively mentoring and building up local church songwriters.

I know you’re going to enjoy this conversation with Krissy Nordhoff.

Links:

Krissy Nordoff https://krissynordhoff.com/

Songwriter Personality Assessment: https://krissynordhoff.com/test/

Writing Workshop Book: https://amzn.to/37XEgf5

Songwriting Course: https://krissynordhoff.teachable.com/p/writing-worship/

Brave Worship: http://www.braveworship.com/

Learning Community If you want more training for your team, AND training for you as the leader, AND a community of worship leaders and team members you can interact with, we have it. It’s the Worship Workshop Learning Community.

The Learning Community is free training, encouragement and community for you AND your team members. So go to https://WorshipWorkshop.com/lc to learn more and get access to that right now.

Support Us On Patreon If you love what we’re doing here on the Podcast and over at the LC, and would love to be a part of it, I want to challenge you to become Patreon supporter. And you can do that for as little as $2 a month.

And you actually get more value in content and perks than what you contribute monthly. But more importantly than that, you’re able to help us provide training content for leaders and worship teams literally all over this world, and some who don’t have the means to buy products or enroll in membership program like Worship Workshop.

Go https://WorshipWorkshop.com/patreon to become a supporter.

Write a ReviewAnd finally, if you’re not able to partner with us financially right now, but you’d love to help us out, give us a positive review at Apple Podcasts. You can find that by going to http://WorshipWorkshop.com/apple

Thanks for being a part of the Worship Workshop Podcast and Learning Community. My team and I are so honored to be even a small part of your journey as you build a stronger team that leads engaging worship.

Welcome to the Worship Workshop Podcast where we help you grow a stronger team that leads engaging worship.

In this episode, Peter Neumann, one of our trainers, and I continue with our season-long theme about how to engage your church.

Today, we dig into how we manage our song lists and rotate our songs. I know—it sounds kinda boring. But how you choose and rotate songs could mean the difference between a church that barely engages in worship and a church that sings from the heart each week.

Special Patreon Support Offer

Want some amazing training for you and your team?

We are actively building up our Patreon supporters so that we can deliver a super high-quality podcast every week to you. So we have an offer to make it a huge win for you to support us.

If you are one of our first 20 Patreon supporters at the $10/mo or more tier, you will get not only all the goodies that supporters get at that tier, but you’ll also get your choice of training packages for your team, that equal a $100 or more. These special Patreon Worship Resource Bundles would literally cost you $100 or more if you bought them on our site right now.

One of those training packages is what we’re calling the Worship Planning Package. You can learn more about that here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/jumpstart-bonus-30684794

Other Resources Mentioned In This Episode:

The SongCycle: Simplify Worship Planning and Re-Engage Your Church (Book)

Available on Amazon: https://amzn.to/325YWjF

RENOV8 Course—SongCycle: Avoid the Monster List

Learn more here: https://wshp.be/sc-course

Learning Community If you want more training for your team, AND training for you as the leader, AND a community of worship leaders and team members you can interact with, we have it.

It’s the Worship Workshop Learning Community. The Learning Community is free training, encouragement, and community for you AND your team members. Go to WorshipWorkshop.com/lc to learn more and get access to that right now.

Write a ReviewIf you love this podcast and would love to help us out, a fantastic way to do that is to write us a positive review at Apple Podcasts.

You can find that by going to WorshipWorkshop.com/apple.

Thanks for being a part of the Worship Workshop Podcast and Learning Community. My team and I are so honored to be even a small part of your journey as you build a stronger team that leads engaging worship.

Welcome to the Worship Workshop Podcast where we help you grow a stronger team that leads engaging worship.

Today we dive into where modern worship comes from—and why it matters—with Dr. Lester Ruth. During the discussion, we also discuss the fourfold order of worship—the history of it and why it’s still critical for today.

Resources Mentioned In This Episode:

Dr. Lester Ruth's Books:

Flow https://amzn.to/37hQpev

Lovin’ On Jesus https://amzn.to/2tObtvv

Lester's Recommendations:

Constance Cherry: Worship Architect https://amzn.to/38lULTs

James White: A Brief History of Christian Worship https://amzn.to/31Sb4F6

Bibliography of Worship Studies http://iws.edu/resources/bibliography

Calvin Institute of Christian Worship www.Worship.calvin.edu  

Dr. Lester Ruth is the Research Professor of Christian Worship at Duke Divinity School. Lester holds degrees from Notre Dame, Candler School of Theology of Emory University, and Asbury Theological Seminary. He was a student of James F. White - the former University of Notre Dame Professor of Theology (Liturgical Studies). He co-authored Lovin’ On Jesus: A Concise History of Contemporary Worship with Dr. Swee Hong Lim.

Follow Lester Ruth on Twitter: @jl_ruth

Learning Community

If you want more training for your team, for you as the leader, and a community of worship leaders and team members you can interact with, we have it. It’s the Worship Workshop Learning Community. The Learning Community is free training, encouragement and community for you AND your team members.

Go to WorshipWorkshop.com/lc to learn more and get access to that right now.

Support Us On Patreon

If you love what we’re doing here on the Podcast and over at the Learning Community, and would love to be a part of it, I want to challenge you to become a Patreon supporter. And you can do that for as little as $2 a month.

You get far more value in content and perks than what you contribute monthly. But more importantly than that, you’re able to help us provide training content for leaders and worship teams literally all over this world, and some who don’t have the means to buy products or enroll in membership program like Worship Workshop.

So go WorshipWorkshop.com/patreon to become a supporter.

Write a Review

If you’re not able to partner with us financially right now, but you’d love to help us out, give us a positive review at Apple Podcasts.

You can find that by going to www.worshipworkshop.com/apple    

Thanks for being a part of the Worship Workshop Podcast and Learning Community. My team and I are so honored to be even a small part of your journey as you build a stronger team that leads engaging worship.

Welcome to the Worship Workshop Podcast where we help you grow a stronger team that leads engaging worship.

Summary

Would you love to see your worship team get better at expressing their worship with more freely, and engaging the congregation with more confidence?

Or maybe you just would love to get your team members heads out of their music stands? If so listen to this episode.

We’re digging into platform presence—how leaders and team members engage the congregation through visual leadership and modeling biblical expressions of worship. I’ve taught this content as a breakout session several times at various conferences.

To make it even more useful for you, as I teach for you in the audio podcast world, I'm going to be screencasting my slides. And I’m going to make that screencast training available for you for free to download.

Get the free team training video, "Engage: Develop Your Team’s Platform Presence. Go to WorshipWorkshop.com/12

Links:

Get the Lead Worship 101 and 201 Training Videos Mentioned In This Episode:

Worshipworkshop.com/leadworship

Learning Community

If you want more training for your team, AND training for you as the leader, AND a community of worship leaders and team members you can interact with, we have it. It’s the Worship Workshop Learning Community.

The Learning Community is free training, encouragement and community for you AND your team members.

Go to WorshipWorkshop.com/lc to learn more and get access to that right now.

Support Us On Patreon

If you love what we’re doing here on the Podcast and over at the LC, and would love to be a part of it, I want to challenge you to become Patreon supporter. And you can do that for as little as $2 a month.

You actually get more value in content and perks than what you contribute monthly. But more importantly than that, you’re able to help us provide training content for leaders and worship teams literally all over this world, and some who don’t have the means to buy products or enroll in membership program like Worship Workshop.

So go WorshipWorkshop.com/patreon to become a supporter.

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If you’re not able to partner with us financially right now, but you’d love to help us out, give us a positive review at Apple Podcasts. You can find that by going to WorshipWorkshop.com/apple

Thanks for being a part of the Worship Workshop Podcast and Learning Community. My team and I are so honored to be even a small part of your journey as you build a stronger team that leads engaging worship.

Welcome to the WorshipWorkshop Podcast where we help you grow a stronger team that leads engaging worship. This season, our over-arching theme is "engaging your congregation in worship.”

Today, we’re digging into the tension between performance and worship. To do that, I have a conversation with veteran worship leader (and cover band frontman and actor) Bill Mozingo to discuss the tensions between performance and worship.

It’d be really simple to say "it should all be worship.” But anyone who’s stepped foot on a platform—from musician to preaching pastor to announcement-giver—knows that there’s an engagement that needs to happen with the people who are gathered. Inherently, there’s a performative aspect to what the platform team does, and, to a larger degree, the production/AVL team.

So Bill and I talk about that tension today and hopefully give you some practical ways to navigate that with your team.

Next Step Resource:

Lead Worship 101

https://wshp.be/lw-101-ep11

Teach your worship team their unique role as lead worshipers.

Bill’s Bio

Bill Mozingo has been a professional musician for more than 20 years and has been involved in producing and writing several praise and worship albums. Since 2006 he has been a member of Wave Church creative team in Va. Beach, VA. For six of those years, he was worship pastor and involved in writing, directing and acting in numerous plays and musical productions. He and his wife Darrah have four active boys and live in Va. Beach. In his spare time, Bill enjoys playing golf and basketball, and being the front man for an 80’s and 90’s music cover band.

Bill’s YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC19WfB62-SfS3jYKYz3G0lQ?view_as=subscriber

Learning Community

If you want more training for your team, AND training for you as the leader, AND a community of worship leaders and team members you can interact with, we have it. It’s the Worship Workshop Learning Community.

The Learning Community is free training, encouragement and community for you AND your team members. So go to www.WorshipWorkshop.com/lc to learn more and get access to that right now.

Support Us On Patreon

If you love what we’re doing here on the Podcast and over at the Learning Community, and would love to be a part of it, I want to challenge you to become a Patreon supporter. And you can do that for as little as $2 a month.

You actually get more value in content and perks than what you contribute monthly. But more importantly than that, you’re able to help us provide training content for leaders and worship teams literally all over this world, and some who don’t have the means to buy products or enroll in membership program like Worship Workshop.

So go WorshipWorkshop.com/patreon  to become a supporter.

Write a Review

And finally, if you’re not able to partner with us financially right now, but you’d love to help us out, give us a positive review at Apple Podcasts. You can find that by going to WorshipWorkshop.com/apple 

Thanks for being a part of the Worship Workshop Podcast and Learning Community. My team and I are so honored to be even a small part of your journey as you build a stronger team that leads engaging worship.

Welcome to the Worship Workshop Podcast where we help you grow a stronger team that leads engaging worship.

This season on the podcast, our focus is on what it takes to engage your congregation in worship. One of the biggest barriers we all face to people engaging worship in our gatherings is our focus on ourselves.

Today, we’re talking with a worship leader who journeyed away from consumer-oriented worship with his church. Enjoy my conversation Manuel Luz.

About Manuel:

Songwriter, author, inventor, arts advocate, and pastor—Manuel Luz is passionate about worship, coffee, the Oakland Raiders, and the intersections of faith and the arts. Manuel’s book, Imagine That: Discovering Your Unique Role as a Christian Artist (Moody Publishers) is a practical and personal theology of the arts.

His current book, Honest Worship: From False Self to True Praise (InterVarsity Press), released in Fall 2018, addresses the critical intersections between spiritual formation and worship. He is also the inventor of the patented musical instrument, the WalkaBout™, which recently won Best of Show at the world-renowned NAMM Show earlier this year. Check out his thought-provoking blog, “Adventures in Faith and Art” (www.manuelluz.com), his four solo albums (iTunes or www.CDBaby.com), or the WalkaBout Drum (www.walkaboutdrum.com).

Learning Community

If you want more training for your team, AND training for you as the leader, AND a community of worship leaders and team members you can interact with, we have it. It’s the Worship Workshop Learning Community.

The Learning Community is free training, encouragement and community for you AND your team members. So go to WorshipWorkshop.com/lc to learn more and get access to that right now.

Support Us On Patreon

If you love what we’re doing here on the Podcast and over at the LC, and would love to be a part of it, I want to challenge you to become a Patreon supporter. And you can do that for as little as $2 a month. And you actually get more value in content and perks than what you contribute monthly.

But more importantly than that, you’re able to help us provide training content for leaders and worship teams literally all over this world, and some who don’t have the means to buy products or enroll in a membership program like Worship Workshop. So go WorshipWorkshop.com/patreon to become a supporter.

Write a Review

And finally, if you’re not able to partner with us financially right now, but you’d love to help us out, give us a positive review at Apple Podcasts. You can find that by going to WorshipWorkshop.com/apple

Thanks for being a part of the Worship Workshop Podcast and Learning Community. My team and I are so honored to be even a small part of your journey as you build a stronger team that leads engaging worship.

Welcome to the Worship Workshop Podcast where we help you grow a stronger team that leads engaging worship.

In today’s episode, we’re looking at the common things that keeps our churches from singing. As worship leaders and team members, we can’t make someone sing out and worship. We're just there trying to create an environment that encourages people to participate in this musical worship that we lead.

But here’s the problem: since we’re able to encourage participation, it stands to reason that we can also discourage it. So here are the six mistakes that we make that might be keeping our church from singing.

1. You have "Stand Zombies"

2. Your songs are too high.

3. Your songs are too complicated.

4. You have too many new or unfamiliar songs.

5. Worship sets are too long.

6. The music volume is too loud or too soft.

Resources From This Episode

Special Patreon Training Bundle

We are trying to build up our Patreon supports so that we can deliver a super high-quality podcast every week to you. So, if you are one of our first 20 Patreon supporters at the $10/mo or more tier, you will get not only all the goodies that supporters get at that tier, but you’ll also get your choice of training packages for your team, that equal a $100 or more. And that’s not some nebulous value we’re throwing on these packages.

These special Patreon Worship resource Bundles are literally would cost you $100 or more if you bought them outright. So if you want to support this podcast and the learning community that goes with it, AND get some killer training for you or your team, go to https://wshp.be/39IlVoF

PSA: Don’t Get Audited (But Don’t Give the Government Too Much Money Either)

We talk to my accountant and former federal auditor Eric Bisignano about clergy tax laws, what you can write off and what you can’t, and keeping yourself on the IRS’s good side.

Eric’s company is called Charitax and he has a heart for pastors and churches. You can get a free call with Eric Bisignano going to www.clergytaxninja.com.

Learning Community

If you want more training for your team, AND training for you as the leader, AND a community of worship leaders and team members you can interact with, we have it.

It’s the Worship Workshop Learning Community. The Learning Community is free training, encouragement and community for you AND your team members.

So go to www.WorshipWorkshop.com/lc to learn more and get access to that right now.

Support Us On Patreon

If you love what we’re doing here on the Podcast and over at the Learning Community, and would love to be a part of it, I want to challenge you to become a Patreon supporter. And you can do that for as little as $2 a month.

And you actually get more value in content and perks than what you contribute monthly. But more importantly than that, you’re able to help us provide training content for leaders and worship teams literally all over this world, and some who don’t have the means to buy products or enroll in membership program like Worship Workshop.

So go www.WorshipWorkshop.com/patreon to become a supporter.

Write a Review/Rate Podcast

And finally, if you’re not able to partner with us financially right now, but you’d love to help us out, give us a positive review at Apple Podcasts.

You can find that by going to www.WorshipWorkshop.com/apple

Thanks for being a part of the Worship Workshop Podcast and Learning Community. My team and I are so honored to be even a small part of your journey as you build a stronger team that leads engaging worship.