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Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus sit down with cultural historian Dr. Kelly J. Baker to explore America’s enduring obsession with a zombie apocalypse. What does our fascination with the undead reveal about our fears, values, and survival instincts? And how do imagined apocalyptic scenarios shape—or reflect—our responses to real-world crises?
Please support this podcast by checking out our patreon:
www.patreon.com/primarysourcemedia
Description:
Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus sit down with cultural historian Dr. Kelly J. Baker to explore America’s enduring obsession with a zombie apocalypse. What does our fascination with the undead reveal about our fears, values, and survival instincts? And how do imagined apocalyptic scenarios shape—or reflect—our responses to real-world crises?
Please support this podcast by checking out our patreon:
www.patreon.com/primarysourcemedia
CHAPTERS:
0:00 - Introductions
1:25 - How did you get into zombies?
8:06 - Zombies in American culture
13:32 - Moralism in the horror genre
16:48 - How does a zombie apocalypse compare to historical, real life apocalypses
27:47 - What is a luxury morality, where do we go once that’s gone?
33:05 - Is this an American phenomena and why is it so popular?
37:40 - Racism and misogyny in the genre - who survives?
45:31 - How have the winds changed in the last 5 years?
49:17 - Why should we take zombie preppers seriously?
52:48 - What is Kelly’s favorite zombie flick?
54:10 - What can we learn from zombies?
56:05 - Where to learn more about zombies and Kelly
EPISODE LINKS:
Dr. Kelly J. Baker - https://www.kellyjbaker.com/
The Zombies Are Coming: The Realities of the Zombie Apocalypse in American Culture - https://www.kellyjbaker.com/writing/the-zombies-are-coming/
Anabaptists - https://amnetwork.uk/resource/anabaptist-common-practices/
Zombie Doomsday Preppers - https://fithops.com/blogs/learning-center/plan-to-survive-zombie-outbreak#:~:text=Essential%20Zombie%20Survival%20Gear,Kit%20for%20Durability%20and%20Efficiency
Preparedness 101: Zombie Pandemic - https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/6023
Kingdom - https://www.netflix.com/title/81095387
Warm Bodies - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1588173/
Halloween Horror Nights - https://www.halloweenhorrornights.com/
PODCAST INFO:
Podcast website: 2c4hpod.com
Apple Podcasts:
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/2-complicated-4-history/id1664183536
Spotify:
https://open.spotify.com/show/3svQpZfxhVQnYJMESpp842?si=514780ada34d4aab
Full episodes playlist:
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLX2x56DEw1y7EYWxfufgfSR951RrdsXet&si=TuDcpAjaeQx-vjkH
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Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus sit down with cultural historian Dr. Kelly J. Baker to explore America’s enduring obsession with a zombie apocalypse. What does our fascination with the undead reveal about our fears, values, and survival instincts? And how do imagined apocalyptic scenarios shape—or reflect—our responses to real-world crises?
Please support this podcast by checking out our patreon:
www.patreon.com/primarysourcemedia
Description:
Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus sit down with cultural historian Dr. Kelly J. Baker to explore America’s enduring obsession with a zombie apocalypse. What does our fascination with the undead reveal about our fears, values, and survival instincts? And how do imagined apocalyptic scenarios shape—or reflect—our responses to real-world crises?
Please support this podcast by checking out our patreon:
www.patreon.com/primarysourcemedia
CHAPTERS:
0:00 - Introductions
1:25 - How did you get into zombies?
8:06 - Zombies in American culture
13:32 - Moralism in the horror genre
16:48 - How does a zombie apocalypse compare to historical, real life apocalypses
27:47 - What is a luxury morality, where do we go once that’s gone?
33:05 - Is this an American phenomena and why is it so popular?
37:40 - Racism and misogyny in the genre - who survives?
45:31 - How have the winds changed in the last 5 years?
49:17 - Why should we take zombie preppers seriously?
52:48 - What is Kelly’s favorite zombie flick?
54:10 - What can we learn from zombies?
56:05 - Where to learn more about zombies and Kelly
EPISODE LINKS:
Dr. Kelly J. Baker - https://www.kellyjbaker.com/
The Zombies Are Coming: The Realities of the Zombie Apocalypse in American Culture - https://www.kellyjbaker.com/writing/the-zombies-are-coming/
Anabaptists - https://amnetwork.uk/resource/anabaptist-common-practices/
Zombie Doomsday Preppers - https://fithops.com/blogs/learning-center/plan-to-survive-zombie-outbreak#:~:text=Essential%20Zombie%20Survival%20Gear,Kit%20for%20Durability%20and%20Efficiency
Preparedness 101: Zombie Pandemic - https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/6023
Kingdom - https://www.netflix.com/title/81095387
Warm Bodies - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1588173/
Halloween Horror Nights - https://www.halloweenhorrornights.com/
PODCAST INFO:
Podcast website: 2c4hpod.com
Apple Podcasts:
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/2-complicated-4-history/id1664183536
Spotify:
https://open.spotify.com/show/3svQpZfxhVQnYJMESpp842?si=514780ada34d4aab
Full episodes playlist:
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLX2x56DEw1y7EYWxfufgfSR951RrdsXet&si=TuDcpAjaeQx-vjkH
SOCIAL:
- Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/2c4hPodcast
- Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/2c4h_podcast
To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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