Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus are joined by Barbara Vorndick to explore the life of Eliza Monroe and the story that has been told about her for two-hundred years—and why it is false. Now the push is on to bring James Monroe’s daughter home.

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OUTLINE:

0:00 - Introductions

1:39 - Why Barbara Started The Biography

7:12 - Who Was President James Monroe?

13:25 - Eliza Monroe's Education and Early Life

19:20 - Eliza the Nurse

23:00 - Eliza the First Lady Daughter

26:20 - Eliza the Firecracker

30:30 - The Primary Sources That Fueled The Research

33:14 - The Sea Voyage to France

42:48 - Whodunnit

51:12 - Did Eliza Get a Proper Funeral?

55:08 - Breaking News - Where Are We Now?

58:35 - How Can We Help Bring Eliza Home?

EPISODE LINKS:

Eliza’s True. Story: The First Biography of President Monroe’s Eldest Daughter - https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/elizas-true-story-barbara-vorndick/1145846740

Bringing Eliza Home - https://hffi.org/bringing-eliza-home/

The Bringing Eliza Home Project (Facebook) – https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61558069665312

Donate - https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=DNXN2KMNKVGHG

Eliza Monroe - https://www.whitehousehistory.org/bios/elizabeth-monroe

James Monroe - https://www.britannica.com/biography/James-Monroe

James Monroe’s Highland - https://highland.org

Louisiana Purchase – https://www.britannica.com/event/Louisiana-Purchase

Monroe Doctrine – https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/monroe-doctrine

Jeanne-Louise-Henriette Genest Campan - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jeanne-Louise-Henriette-Genest-Campan

Caroline Bonaparte – https://www.britannica.com/biography/Caroline-Bonaparte

Hortense de Beauharnais – https://www.britannica.com/biography/Hortense

Elizabeth Kortright Monroe - https://www.whitehousehistory.org/bios/elizabeth-monroe

George Hay - https://www.fjc.gov/node/1381966

Margaret Bayard Smith – https://www.loc.gov/collections/margaret-bayard-smith-papers/about-this-collection/

Frances Depau (ship) - https://oac.cdlib.org/findaid/ark:/13030/c80k2cvw/entire_text/

Maria Hester Monroe - https://jmonroe3d.umwhistory.org/exhibit/maria-hester-monroe-gouverneur/

Samuel Laurence Gouverneur - https://archives.nypl.org/mss/1187

Daniel Brent – https://history.state.gov/departmenthistory/people/brent-daniel-carroll

James Monroe Museum and Memorial Library - https://jamesmonroemuseum.umw.edu

James Monroe Memorial Foundation - https://monroefoundation.org

Found and Sons Funeral Chapel - https://www.foundandsons.com/locations/found-and-sons-funeral-chapel-of-fredericksburg

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Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus are joined by Philip Thompson to discuss the history of espionage and the psychological motivations behind becoming an international spy.

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OUTLINE:

0:00 - Coming Up

1:09 - Introductions

3:48 - The M.I.C.E. Framework: Understanding Spy Motivations

7:21 - The Background of Spies: Who Becomes a Spy?

10:05 - Psychological Factors in Espionage

13:15 - Ideology vs. Money: The Dual Motivations of Spies

24:56 -Case Studies: The Rosenbergs and Their Impact

28:42 - Case Studies: George Blake and the Consequence of Compromise

32:23 - The Complexity of Coercion in Espionage

42:46 - The Role of Women in Espionage History

47:49 - Ego as a Motivating Factor in Spying

52:00 - Case Studies: Edward Snowden, Noble Convictions or Ego?

57:36 - Evolution of Espionage Frameworks

1:01:20 -The Intersection of Fiction and Reality in Spy Culture

1:04:38 - Understanding M.I.C.E. in Personal Life

01:06:21 - Historical Sites to Visit

EPISODE LINKS:

Philip Thompson YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@PhilipThompson

Project Slammer - https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP87-00812R000200070011-7.pdf

Aldrich Ames - https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/aldrich-ames

John Walker - https://www.britannica.com/biography/John-Walker-American-spy

The Cambridge Spies - https://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/spies_cambridge.shtml

Anthony Blunt - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Anthony-Blunt

J. Edgar Hoover - https://www.britannica.com/biography/J-Edgar-Hoover

Oleg Antonovich Gordievsky - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/11/russian-spies-britain-oleg-gordievsky

Julius and Ethel Rosenberg - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Julius-Rosenberg-and-Ethel-Rosenberg

David Greenglass - https://ahf.nuclearmuseum.org/ahf/profile/david-greenglass/

George Blake - https://www.britannica.com/biography/George-Blake-British-diplomat-and-Soviet-spy

2C4H Lavender Scare - https://youtu.be/PjXYDJW5LF8?si=MUqlIZOke0-17yiq

Alan Turing - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Alan-Turing

Mata Hari - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Mata-Hari-Dutch-dancer-and-spy

Special Operations Executive (SOE) Women Spies - https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/The-Female-Spies-Of-SOE/

Virginia Hall - https://beta.nationalarchives.gov.uk/explore-the-collection/stories/virginia-hall/

Robert Hanssen - https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/robert-hanssen

Edward Snowden - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Edward-Snowden

RASCLS - https://www.cia.gov/resources/csi/studies-in-intelligence/volume-57-no-1/an-alternative-framework-for-agent-recruitment-from-mice-to-rascls/

Jonathan Pollard - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jonathan-Pollard

International Spy Museum - https://www.spymuseum.org/

Burlington Bunker - https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/burlington-bunker

PODCAST INFO:

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Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/2-complicated-4-history/id1664183536

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Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus are joined by Dr. Jane E. Calvert to discuss the lesser known and under appreciated founder John Dickinson. Find out why Dickinson should be placed alongside the names Washington, Adams, and Jefferson in U.S. history books.

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OUTLINE:

0:00 - Sneak Peak/Introductions

2:22 - Why John Dickinson?

5:48 - Who Was John Dickinson

9:24 - How Prolific Was He?

22:46 - The Role of Ordinary People in the Revolution

29:15 - Dickinson’s Pen Name and Its Implications

41:24 - Drafting The Articles of Confederation

43:52 - A Man Who Had His Hand In Everything

45:19 - The One Person Who Brought The United States Into Being

53:29 - Dickinson’s Later Years and Legacy

58:39 - Where to Find Jane?

1:01:46 - Dickinson Sites To Visit

EPISODE LINKS:

Jane E. Calvert, PhD – https://www.drjaneecalvert.org

Penman of the Founding – A Biography of John Dickinson - https://global.oup.com/academic/product/penman-of-the-founding-9780197541692?cc=us&lang=en&

 The John Dickinson Writings Project - https://www.jdproject.org

Quakers - https://www.britannica.com/topic/Society-of-Friends

Stamp Act – https://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-resources/spotlight-primary-source/stamp-act-1765

Letters from a Farmer in Pennsylvania - https://history.delaware.gov/john-dickinson-plantation/dickinsonletters/pennsylvania-farmer-letters/

Religion and the American Revolution - https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel03.html#:~:text=Religion%20played%20a%20major%20role,in%20the%20sight%20of%20God.

John Dickinson, Conservative Revolutionary - https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-american-studies/article/abs/milton-e-flower-john-dickinson-conservative-revolutionary-charlottesville-virginia-the-univ-press-of-virginia-for-the-friends-of-the-john-dickinson-mansion-1983-2750-pp-xii-338/597B92DD95F124DAB8EBB9DBD25EF68B

The Cost of Liberty: The Life of John Dickinson - https://www.regnery.com/9781684515479/cost-of-liberty/

Edmund Burke - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Edmund-Burke-British-philosopher-and-statesman

John Adams - https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/John-Adams/David-McCullough/9780743223133

The Whig Party - https://www.britannica.com/topic/Whig-Party

Benjamin Lay - https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/quaker-comet-greatest-abolitionist-never-heard-180964401/

John Woolman - https://www.britannica.com/biography/John-Woolman

Mary Norris Dickinson - https://www.womenhistoryblog.com/2011/05/mary-norris-dickinson.html

John Dickinson Plantation - https://www.nps.gov/frst/planyourvisit/john-dickinson-plantation.htm

 Stenton - https://www.stenton.org

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We have had a particularly cursed month over at 2C4H. In order to do right by our guests and audience we are sharing a historical ghost story as we work to finish some of the episodes that have had some really unfortunate technical difficulties.

Thanks for all the support and understanding!

Links:

John A. Lomax Bio - https://www.loc.gov/item/ihas.200196225

Archive of American Folk-Song - https://www.loc.gov/collections/john-a-lomax-and-alan-lomax-papers/about-this-collection/

Lomax’s works and legacy - https://acousticmusic.org/research/history/musical-styles-and-venues-in-america/john-and-alan-lomax/

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Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus are joined by Dr. Kathleen DuVal to discuss the history of Native Americans over a millennium. Dr. DuVal reveals history from natives’ perspectives, turning the well-known eurocentric view of world history on its head.

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TRANSCRIPT: coming soon 

OUTLINE:

0:00 - Introductions

1:25 - What Made You Decide to Take On Such a Large Timeline?

4:14 - Where Do You Start?

8:46 - Navigating The Correct Terminology

11:56 - What Was America Like in 1006?

15:03 - Major Differences? Animal husbandry? 

16:18 - The Fallacy of European Advancement

18:01 - How Much Of This Work Overlapped with Archeology?

22:12 - Did Anything from the Pre-contact Period Change Your Perception of the Time?

25:21 - Anything From The Recent Centuries that Surprised You?

29:06 - How Did This Penetrate West Into The Continent

32:44 - The Historiography of Native History 

35:55 - The Native Perspective On Their History

38:11 - The Importance of Telling These Stories

39:17 - Who Belongs: Race vs Citizenship

41:38 - Lynn’s Favorite Quote From the Book

44:45 - How Do You Deal With History That Isn’t What You Wished It to Be?

49:35 - Was Your Goal to Get People to Empathize?

53:39 - Historical (Web)Sites You Should Visit

56:07 - TV Shows & Films That Are Good Representations

57:23 - Where You Can Find Kathleen DuVal

EPISODE LINKS:

Kathleen DuVal – https://history.unc.edu/faculty-members/kathleen-duval/; https://kathleenduval.web.unc.edu

Native Nations: A Millennium in North America - https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/575441/native-nations-by-kathleen-duval/#

1006 Supernova - https://www.nasa.gov/universe/supernova-remnant-sn-1006/

Medieval Warm Period - https://www.britannica.com/science/medieval-warm-period

Moundville Archeology – https://moundville.museums.ua.edu

Cherokee History – https://www.cherokee.org

Mohawk History – https://www.britannica.com/topic/Mohawk

Colonialism – https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/colonialism/

Blood Quantum - https://nativegov.org/resources/blood-quantum-and-sovereignty-a-guide/

Settler Colonialism – https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/settler_colonialism#:~:text=The%20concept%20of%20settler%20colonialism,with%20a%20new%20settler%20population.

Ruth Muskrat - https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/roadshow/articles/read-a-speech-by-a-native-american-activist-from-the-early-1920s/

Jenny Tone-Pah-Hote – https://uncpress.org/book/9781469643663/crafting-an-indigenous-nation/

Reservation Dogs - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13623580/

Rutherford Falls - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11058054/

Resident Alien - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8690918/

Kathleen DuVal on X (formerly Twitter) - @KathleenADuVal

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Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus are joined by Dr. Patrick Spero to discuss an obscure French scientist who became a spy in the newly formed United States. Who was Andres Michaux? And how did Thomas Jefferson participate in the conspiracy that history forgot?

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OUTLINE:

0:00 - Introductions

4:08 - The Document That Inspired The Book

7:45 - Who was André Michaux

13:16 - André Michaux In America

16:28- André Michaux’s Most Daring Expedition

18:41- André Michaux’s Transforming Places Around The World

19:45 - André Michaux’s Setting His Sights West

21:23 - What Was The Pitching Process Like?

26:17 - A Bad Start

28:15 - The Policy Towards France and His Impact

31:54 - Did Anyone Else Know What He was Doing?

34:21 - Did Jefferson Know and What Happens Next?

37:56 - Are They Successful?

43:26 - How Does This Saga End? 

47:17 - The Modern Day Conspiracy

48:46 - Did This Book Change Your Perspective on the Era?

51:09 - Where You Can Find Patrick 

EPISODE LINKS:

Dr. Patrick Spero – http://www.patrickspero.com

Scientist Turned Spy: André Michaux, Thomas Jefferson, and the Conspiracy of 1793 - https://www.upress.virginia.edu/title/10032/

American Philosophical Society - https://www.amphilsoc.org/user/35

Andres Michaux Subscription List - https://www.amphilsoc.org/item-detail/michaux-expedition-subscription-list-0

Lewis and Clark Expedition - https://www.archives.gov/education/lessons/lewis-clark

Michaux Botanical Garden, South Carolina - http://www.tipton-haynes.org/research/history/andre-michaux/

Michaux Botanical Garden, New Jersey - https://graphicarts.princeton.edu/2021/02/03/north-american-sylva-and-the-lost-garden-of-new-jersey/

North American journeys - https://www.michaux.org/journey.htm

Michaux in Canada - https://www.biographi.ca/en/bio/michaux_andre_5E.html

John Bartram - https://www.britannica.com/topic/American-Philosophical-Society

William Bartram - https://encyclopediaofalabama.org/article/william-bartram/

Benjamin Smith Barton - https://archives.upenn.edu/exhibits/penn-people/biography/benjamin-smith-barton/

David Rittenhouse - https://www.britannica.com/biography/David-Rittenhouse

Caspar Wistar - https://archives.upenn.edu/exhibits/penn-people/biography/caspar-wistar/

Benjamin Rush - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Benjamin-Rush

Edmond Genet - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Edmond-Charles-Genet

Citizen Genet Affair - https://www.britannica.com/event/Citizen-Genet-Affair

French Revolution - https://www.britannica.com/event/French-Revolution

Monticello - https://www.monticello.org

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Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus are joined by Dr. Lindsay Chervinsky to examine John Adams’ presidency and the peaceful transfer of power in the nascent United States. How has Adams’ legacy echoed through successive presidential administrations? And how did Adams secure the survival of the republic?

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OUTLINE:

0:00 - Introductions

1:51 - Why Adams?

4:48 - What Do We Need to Know About Adams?

14:43 - How Did People React to Adams Winning the Election?

17:25 - Was Jefferson’s Election as Important?

20:31 - What Did Adams Do During His Presidency?

27:22 - Was Adams a Moderate?

30:42 - What We Remember About Adams’ Presidency

38:29 - Adams vs the Press

43:36 - How Did people Feel About Adams After His First Term? 

46:26 - The Complexity of the Contested Election of 1800

52:21 - How Did the Second Election Go? 

55:54 - Reflecting on January 6th and Peaceful Transfers of Power

1:02:52 - Where Can You Find Lindsay

EPISODE LINKS:

Lindsay M. Chervinsky - https://www.lindsaychervinsky.com

Making the Presidency - https://global.oup.com/academic/product/making-the-presidency-9780197653845?cc=us&lang=en&

Dr. Chervinsky’s newsletter - https://perfectunion.substack.com

The George Washington Presidential Library - https://www.mountvernon.org/library

George Washington’s Mount Vernon - https://www.mountvernon.org

Abigail Adams - https://www.womenshistory.org/education-resources/biographies/abigail-adams

Thomas Hobbs - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Thomas-Hobbes

Franklin miniseries - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt18351584/

John Jay - https://www.britannica.com/biography/John-Jay

“I am fairly out and you fairly in!” - https://www.masshist.org/digitaladams/archive/doc?id=L17970305ja

Democratic-Republican Party - https://www.britannica.com/topic/Democratic-Republican-Party

Federalist Party - https://www.britannica.com/topic/Federalist-Party

Thomas Jefferson - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Thomas-Jefferson

Election of 1800 - https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/creating-the-united-states/election-of-1800.html

Alien and Sedition Acts - https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/alien-and-sedition-acts#:~:text=Passed%20in%20preparation%20for%20an,brink%20of%20war%20with%20France.

George H.W. Bush - https://www.britannica.com/biography/George-H-W-Bush

Noah Webster - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Noah-Webster-American-lexicographer

James A. Bayard -https://bioguideretro.congress.gov/Home/MemberDetails?memIndex=B000249

Samuel Smith - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Samuel-Smith

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Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus are joined by Charles Fournier to discuss Ernest Hemingway, his constructed identity, and vernacular landscapes. Hemingway looked up to Theodore Roosevelt and a romanticized, masculine version of the West, but he put on an entirely different persona in Europe. Who was the genuine Hemingway?

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TRANSCRIPT: coming soon 

OUTLINE:

0:00 - Introductions

1:41 - Why Ernest Hemingway?

7:25 - Learning More About Hemingway.

10:40 - Defining Vernacular Landscapes and Hemingway in the West

18:59 - What I Expected is Not What I Got When I Met Hemingway 

10:49 - How Michael Became Interest in Oglethorpe

22:37 - The Tension Between Hemingway's Desire for Fame and Authenticity

32:21 - Persona vs Authenticity

37:44 - The Persistent Effect of His Persona and Is There Anyone Like Him Today?

43:01 - Writing Styles & The Mythos of the West

53:26 - Historical Sites in Wyoming

55:20 - Where You Can Find Charles

EPISODE LINKS:

Podcast: Those Who Can’t Teach Anymore - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/those-who-cant-teach-anymore/id1646723683

Podcast: The Modern West - https://www.themodernwest.org

Look Out For: New Podcast with Diego Javier Luis!

Ernest Hemingway - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Ernest-Hemingway

Hills Like White Elephants - https://jerrywbrown.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Hills-Like-White-Elephants-Hemingway-Ernest.pdf

Big Two-Hearted River - https://www.sparknotes.com/lit/inourtime/section14/

A Moveable Feast – https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/a-moveable-feast-ernest-hemingway/1100213865

Langston Hughes – https://www.britannica.com/biography/Langston-Hughes

Hemingway and the Black Renaissance – https://ohiostatepress.org/books/titles/9780814211779.html

Gertrude Stein - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Gertrude-Stein

Ezra Pound - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Ezra-Pound

James Joyce - https://www.britannica.com/biography/James-Joyce

F. Scott Fitzgerald - https://www.britannica.com/biography/F-Scott-Fitzgerald

Vernacular Landscapes - https://www.tclf.org/vernacular-landscapes

Owen Wister - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Owen-Wister

Edward Abbey - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Edward-Abbey

Zane Grey - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Zane-Grey

Old Man and the Sea - https://www.britannica.com/topic/The-Old-Man-and-the-Sea-novel-by-Hemingway

Hemingway’s plane crashes - https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/hemingway-and-his-wife-survived-two-plane-crashes-just-one-day-apart-180982884/

Hemingway and World War I - https://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/2006/spring/hemingway.html

Hunter S. Thompson - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Hunter-S-Thompson

Hemingway with fish - https://www.anglersjournal.com/saltwater/fighting-big-fish-with-ernest-hemingway

The Sun Also Rises - https://www.britannica.com/topic/The-Sun-Also-Rises

Karen Russell - https://karenrussellauthor.com

Finnegans Wake - https://www.britannica.com/topic/Finnegans-Wake

Paul Cezanne - https://www.paulcezanne.org

Cheyenne Frontier Days - https://cfdrodeo.com

Empire, Wyoming - https://www.nps.gov/places/empire-wyoming.htm

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Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus are joined by Michael L. Thurmond to discuss James Oglethorpe, the founder of the only British American colony that prohibited chattel slavery prior to the Revolutionary War. Oglethorpe should be considered a founding father; so why is he largely forgotten today?

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OUTLINE:

0:00 - Introductions

1:42 - Who is James Oglethorpe

2:33 - How is James Oglethorp Taught in Georgia Schools?

6:19 - The Known Immorality Around Chattel Slavery

9:18 - Anti-Slavery vs Abolitionist Views

10:49 - How Michael Became Interest in Oglethorpe

14:08 - Digging Deeper

16:08 - What Sources Did Michael Use?

19:03 - What Did The Letter Say!?!?

21:40 - Oglethorpe’s Anti-Slavery Motivations

24:06 - Religiosity and Slavery

30:00 - Dr. Thomas Bray and the Bray Schools

32:55 - John Wesley and the Methodist Church

34:00 - How Did the Legal Status of Slavery Change in Georgia?

38:33 - Oglethorpe’s Legacy, The Lost Cause and the Reaction to the Book

47:05 - They Knew

50:52 - Acknowledging Our Mistakes and Being Better

59:14 - Where You can Find Michael

EPISODE LINKS:

Micheal L. Thurmond - https://michaelthurmond.net

James Oglethorpe, Father of Georgia: A Founder’s Journey from Slave Trader to Abolitionist - https://ugapress.org/book/9780820366043/james-oglethorpe-father-of-georgia/

James E. Oglethorpe - https://www.britannica.com/biography/James-Edward-Oglethorpe

Abolitionism – https://www.britannica.com/topic/abolitionism-European-and-American-social-movement

Georgia history – https://www.britannica.com/place/Georgia-state

Cranham Hall – https://digitalcollections.library.gsu.edu/digital/collection/ajc/id/720/

All Saints – https://allsaintschurchcranham.co.uk/history/

Royal African Company – https://transcription.si.edu/project/29682

Ayuba Suleiman Diallo (Job Ben Soloman) – https://docsouth.unc.edu/neh/bluett/summary.html

 Anti-slavery and religion – https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/african-american-odyssey/abolition.html

Bray Schools – https://encyclopediavirginia.org/entries/associates-of-dr-bray/

John Wesley – https://www.britannica.com/biography/John-Wesley

Battle of Bloody Marsh – https://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/history-archaeology/battle-of-bloody-marsh/

Granville Sharp – https://www.britannica.com/biography/Granville-Sharp

Olaudah Equiano – https://www.britannica.com/biography/Olaudah-Equiano

Hannah More – https://blog.nationalarchives.gov.uk/hannah-more-a-woman-of-letters/

The Lost Cause – https://www.britannica.com/topic/Lost-Cause

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Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus are joined by Dr. Tore Olsson to explore the wildly popular video game Red Dead Redemption 2. How does it reflect the history of the West, a world of the first megacorporations, the labor movement, and infamous characters like Jesse James? And what can we learn from it today?

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OUTLINE:

0:00 - Introduction

3:10 - How Historically Accurate is Red Dead Redemption?

8:45 - Biggest Inaccuracies

14:44 - Disputes Over Capitalism

17:06 - Defining the American West

18:43 - How Did This Become a College Course?

30:44 - Was the Course Effective?

32:51 - History Has a Lot of Lore and Crafting a Book

34:40 - 1893 World’s Columbian Exposition

41:37 - The Anxiety of a Changing System and Losing Masculinity

45:56 - TR’s Obsession with American Masculinity

47:40 - The Role of the Transcontinental Railroad

51:15 - Who Were the Pinkertons?

55:41 - The Southern Stories 

01:00:35 - The Fictionalization of the Time Period

01:03:01 - Audiobook Version!

01:04:46 - Historic Sites to Visit and Where you can find Tore

EPISODE LINKS:

Tore Olsson – https://history.utk.edu/person/olsson-tore/

Red Dead's History: A Video Game, an Obsession, and America's Violent Past – https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250287700/reddeadshistory

Audiobook - https://www.audible.com/pd/Red-Deads-History-Audiobook/B0CKM6FB83

Red Dead Redemption 2 – https://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/red-dead-redemption-2

Pinkerton Detective Agency – https://www.britannica.com/topic/Pinkerton-National-Detective-Agency

Labor Movement – https://www.loc.gov/collections/american-federation-of-labor-records/articles-and-essays/timeline/

Jesse James – https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jesse-James-and-Frank-James

Wild Bill Hickok – https://www.britannica.com/biography/Wild-Bill-Hickok

John D. Rockefeller – https://www.britannica.com/money/John-D-Rockefeller

Dr. Olsson’s class - https://history.utk.edu/tore-olsson-in-the-conversation-why-i-turned-the-red-dead-redemption-ii-video-game-into-a-history-class-on-americas-violent-past/

Oregon Trail – https://oregontrail.ws

Chicago World’s Fair – https://www.britannica.com/event/Worlds-Columbian-Exposition

Frederick Jackson Turner – https://www.britannica.com/biography/Frederick-Jackson-Turner

Theodore Roosevelt – https://www.britannica.com/biography/Theodore-Roosevelt

History of “Dude” – https://blog.oup.com/2022/12/dude-a-long-history-of-a-short-word/

Allen Pinkerton – https://www.britannica.com/biography/Allan-Pinkerton

Lynching of Sicilians in New Orleans – https://egrove.olemiss.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1148&context=hon_thesis

Deadwood, South Dakota – https://www.deadwood.com/ 

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