2 Complicated 4 History

Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus are joined by historian Dr. Julia Gaffield to uncover the overlooked legacy of Jean-Jacques Dessalines, a central—but often forgotten—figure of the Haitian Revolution. While many histories of Haitian independence sideline or erase him, Dr. Gaffield restores Dessalines to his rightful place as a revolutionary leader whose impact reshaped the Atlantic world.   Please support this podcast by checking out our patreon: www.patreon.com/primarysourcemedia   CHAPTERS: 0:00 - Introductions 1:29 - Who is Jean Jacques Dessalines 6:01 - His experience as an enslaved person 8:59 - Differences in US slave societies vs French colonies 10:42 - Saint-Domingue  12:38 - Defining Creole 14:16 - The complexities of the Haitian Revolutions’s demographics 15:04 - From slave to freeman 15:54 - The 7 Years War and the Haitian Revolution 17:52 - Racism as a cultural norm vs codification 21:00 - What sets off the revolution? 23:35 - How does the French revolution play a role? 27:12 - Jean Baptiste Charbonneau & Vincent Ogé 32:45 - Dessalines and Louverture 37:39 - Betrayal and Legacy 41:09 - A double standard: Dessalines’ barbaric reputation 49:30 - The path to independence: The end of slavery in Haiti 54:44 - The significance of the book title   EPISODE LINKS: Dr. Julia Gaffield - https://juliagaffield.com/ I Have Avenged America: Jean-Jacques Dessalines and Haiti’s Fight for Freedom - https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300255478/i-have-avenged-america/ Haitian Revolution - https://scholar.library.miami.edu/slaves/san_domingo_revolution/revolution.html Toussaint Louverture - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Toussaint-Louverture Jean-Jacques Dessalines - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jean-Jacques-Dessalines French Revolution - https://www.britannica.com/event/French-Revolution MLK - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Martin-Luther-King-Jr Malcolm X - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Malcolm-X Saint-Domingue - https://www.britannica.com/place/Haiti/Early-period#ref515792 Hispaniola - https://www.britannica.com/place/Hispaniola Jean-Baptiste Chavannes - https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Appletons%27_Cyclop%C3%A6dia_of_American_Biography/Chavannes,_Jean_Baptiste Vincent Oge - https://www.blackpast.org/global-african-history/oge-vincent-1755-1791/ Leclerc Expedition - https://islandluminous.fiu.edu/part02-slide09.html Cover Image - https://spencerart.ku.edu/art/collections-online/object/58502 Ulrick Jean-Pierre - https://ulrickjeanpierre.com/ “I Have Avenged America” Speech - https://haitidoi.com/2013/08/02/i-have-avenged-america/ PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: 2c4hpod.com Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/2-complicated-4-history/id1664183536 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3svQpZfxhVQnYJMESpp842?si=514780ada34d4aab   Full episodes playlist:    https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLX2x56DEw1y7EYWxfufgfSR951RrdsXet&si=TuDcpAjaeQx-vjkH   SOCIAL: - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/2c4hPodcast - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/2c4h_podcast To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus sit down with cultural historian Dr. Kelly J. Baker to explore America’s enduring obsession with a zombie apocalypse. What does our fascination with the undead reveal about our fears, values, and survival instincts? And how do imagined apocalyptic scenarios shape—or reflect—our responses to real-world crises?   Please support this podcast by checking out our patreon: www.patreon.com/primarysourcemedia Description: Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus sit down with cultural historian Dr. Kelly J. Baker to explore America’s enduring obsession with a zombie apocalypse. What does our fascination with the undead reveal about our fears, values, and survival instincts? And how do imagined apocalyptic scenarios shape—or reflect—our responses to real-world crises?   Please support this podcast by checking out our patreon: www.patreon.com/primarysourcemedia   CHAPTERS: 0:00 - Introductions 1:25 - How did you get into zombies? 8:06 - Zombies in American culture 13:32 - Moralism in the horror genre 16:48 - How does a zombie apocalypse compare to historical, real life apocalypses 27:47 - What is a luxury morality, where do we go once that’s gone? 33:05 - Is this an American phenomena and why is it so popular? 37:40 - Racism and misogyny in the genre - who survives? 45:31 - How have the winds changed in the last 5 years? 49:17 - Why should we take zombie preppers seriously? 52:48 - What is Kelly’s favorite zombie flick? 54:10 - What can we learn from zombies? 56:05 - Where to learn more about zombies and Kelly   EPISODE LINKS: Dr. Kelly J. Baker - https://www.kellyjbaker.com/ The Zombies Are Coming: The Realities of the Zombie Apocalypse in American Culture - https://www.kellyjbaker.com/writing/the-zombies-are-coming/  Anabaptists - https://amnetwork.uk/resource/anabaptist-common-practices/ Zombie Doomsday Preppers - https://fithops.com/blogs/learning-center/plan-to-survive-zombie-outbreak#:~:text=Essential%20Zombie%20Survival%20Gear,Kit%20for%20Durability%20and%20Efficiency Preparedness 101: Zombie Pandemic - https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/6023 Kingdom - https://www.netflix.com/title/81095387 Warm Bodies - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1588173/ Halloween Horror Nights - https://www.halloweenhorrornights.com/ PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: 2c4hpod.com Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/2-complicated-4-history/id1664183536 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3svQpZfxhVQnYJMESpp842?si=514780ada34d4aab   Full episodes playlist:    https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLX2x56DEw1y7EYWxfufgfSR951RrdsXet&si=TuDcpAjaeQx-vjkH   SOCIAL: - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/2c4hPodcast - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/2c4h_podcast   To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus are joined by John Wyatt Greenlee to dive into the surprising history of one slippery creature—the eel. Once a delicacy, currency, contraband, and even a spiritual symbol, this elusive fish finally gets its moment in the spotlight. You’ll never look at eels the same way again.   Please support this podcast by checking out our patreon: www.patreon.com/primarysourcemedia   CHAPTERS: 0:00 - Introductions 1:49 - What is a cartographic historian? 4:15 - How did maps lead you to eels? 12:30 - Eels are everywhere! 13:49 - What is an eel? 21:35 - The mystery of eel reproduction 27:46 - Factors of eels becoming critically endangered 30:41 - The effect of eels being yucky 35:02 - Eels as a currency 47:16 - Fast food jellied eels 48:59 - Eels in identity: eels in family crests and cultural heritage 51:43 - From dissertation to publication 54:30 - An eel story 58:02 - Where do we go to see the eels?!?! 1:09:15 - Where you can find John   EPISODE LINKS: John Wyatt Greenlee - https://www.jwgreenlee.net/ Surprised Eel Mapping - https://surprisedeelmaps.com/ Bluesky - https://bsky.app/profile/greenleejw.bsky.social Eels - https://www.britannica.com/animal/eel Sargasso Sea - https://www.britannica.com/place/Sargasso-Sea Jellied Eels - https://youtu.be/sl0uZTzBTP8?si=yteJ2PFM-vLith9y Aristotle and eels - https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/27172/20200904/why-aristotle-freud-many-others-fascinated-european-eels.htm Hildegard of Bingen - https://www.historytoday.com/archive/natural-histories/sexual-eeling Henry Mayhew - https://theausteritykitchen.com/2009/10/09/from-costermonger-eel-pie-html/ Anglo-Dutch Wars - https://www.britannica.com/event/Anglo-Dutch-Wars Rachel Carson, Under the Sea Wind - https://archive.org/details/underseawind00rach;https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/under-the-sea-wind-rachel-carson/1100214057 Ely, England - https://www.visitely.org.uk/ Ely’s Eel Day - https://www.visitcambridge.org/event/elys-eel-day/    PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: 2c4hpod.com Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/2-complicated-4-history/id1664183536 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3svQpZfxhVQnYJMESpp842?si=514780ada34d4aab   Full episodes playlist:    https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLX2x56DEw1y7EYWxfufgfSR951RrdsXet&si=TuDcpAjaeQx-vjkH   SOCIAL: - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/2c4hPodcast - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/2c4h_podcast   To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus are joined by Louee Dessent to discuss his hit YouTube series Survive History. Taking the goal of making history relevant to another level, Dessent puts himself into the harrowing, life-threatening scenarios of history and asks: Could you survive? Please support this podcast by checking out our patreon: www.patreon.com/primarysourcemedia   CHAPTERS: 0:00 - Introductions 3:49 - Aspirations of Writing About History 4:49 - What is Survive History 6:04 - What Have You Learned? 9:10 - Engaging with Living History 11:28 - Lessons From Historical Reenactment 14:29 - Exploring Different Historical Eras 16:18 - Why Youtube? 18:09 - How is Survive History’s Audience 24:50 - Which Era Was The Toughest and Most Resilient? 27:37 - Louee’s Favorite Episode of Survive History 30:25 - Modern Things In Ancient Eras 33:24 - Making History Relevant Today 35:38 - Navigating Dark Histories: Humor and Reflection 41:23 - Myths in History: Unpacking the Truth 45:01 - Lessons From History: Perspectives on Modern Challenges 46:55 - Historical Sites to Visit EPISODE LINKS: Louee Dessent - https://loueedessent.com/ Survive History - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcPAwKB9syU; https://www.youtube.com/@survivehistory History Hit - https://www.youtube.com/@HistoryHit English Civil Wars - https://www.britannica.com/event/English-Civil-Wars Episode 3 of Survive History - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1O580B086FU Viking Settlers - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXpbTLkU4jA Roman Special Forces - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWhlOAvsdN0 Pliny the Younger - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Pliny-the-Younger Tom Plunket - https://www.dukeofwellington.org/post/the-plunkett-shot WWI Cavalry - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evhtpgO7rbM Bath, UK - https://visitbath.co.uk/inspire-me/about-bath/history-and-heritage Battle of Edington - https://www.britannica.com/topic/Battle-of-Edington Battle of Lansdown Hill - https://www.battlefieldstrust.com/resource-centre/battleview.asp?BattleFieldId=21 Battle of Hastings - https://www.britannica.com/event/Battle-of-Hastings Richard III Discovery - https://le.ac.uk/richard-iii Battle of Bosworth Field - https://www.britannica.com/event/Battle-of-Bosworth-Field   PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: 2c4hpod.com Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/2-complicated-4-history/id1664183536 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3svQpZfxhVQnYJMESpp842?si=514780ada34d4aab   Full episodes playlist:    https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLX2x56DEw1y7EYWxfufgfSR951RrdsXet&si=TuDcpAjaeQx-vjkH   SOCIAL: - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/2c4hPodcast - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/2c4h_podcast To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus are joined by Elizabeth Reese to discuss the 1824-1825 visit of the Marquis de Lafayette to the United States. The last surviving general of the Revolutionary War, Lafayette brought together a divided nation as a universally beloved hero of America. Please support this podcast by checking out our patreon: www.patreon.com/primarysourcemedia   CHAPTERS: 0:00 - Introductions 2:13 - Who was Lafayette? 5:45 - Lafayette’s Early Life and Motivation 11:02 - Lafayette’s Relationship with George Washington 14:43 - Lafayette’s Influence and Legacy 19:30 - Lafayette’s Return to America in 1824 23:36 - Political Context of Lafayette’s Return 30:31 - Lafayette’s Relationship with James Monroe 32:29 - The Emotional Bonds of Imprisonment 33:20 - Navigating the French Revolution 35:48 - Lafayette’s Celebrity Status in America 40:15 - Connections with Historical Figures 42:01 - Lafayette’s Visits and Emotional Closure 44:41 - Recognition of Enslaved Individuals 53:20 - Portrayals of Lafayette in the Media 57:30 - Personal Connections to Lafayette's Legacy EPISODE LINKS: Elizabeth Reese - https://www.elizabethmreese.comMarquis de Lafayette Returns: A Tour of America’s National Capital Region - https://bookshop.org/p/books/marquis-de-lafayette-returns-a-tour-of-america-s-national-capital-region-elizabeth-reese/20547715?ean=9781467155878&next=t Woodlawn Pope-Leighey House - https://www.woodlawnpopeleighey.org Marquis de Lafayette - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Marquis-de-Lafayette Battle of Minden - https://www.royalhampshireregiment.org/about-the-museum/timeline/battle-of-minden/ Charles Cornwallis - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Charles-Cornwallis-1st-Marquess-and-2nd-Earl-Cornwallis Adrienne de Noailles - https://www.encyclopedia.com/women/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/lafayette-marie-adrienne-de-1760-1807 Lafayette’s 1824-1825 U.S. Tour - https://www.amrevmuseum.org/the-marquis-de-lafayette-s-1824-1825-united-states-tour French Revolution - https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/french-revolution/ Auguste Levasseur - https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/author/51473 Lafayette’s grave - https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/a-tale-of-two-revolutions-in-paris Cassandra Good - https://youtu.be/ScJsZm-MAcA?feature=shared The Washington Family - https://www.mountvernon.org/george-washington/family Slavery at Mount Vernon - https://www.mountvernon.org/george-washington/slavery James Armistead Lafayette - https://virginiahistory.org/learn/james-fayette-revolutionary-spy Israel Gillette Jefferson - https://gettingword.monticello.org/people/israel-gillette-jefferson/ Franklin miniseries Lafayette - https://screenrant.com/what-happened-to-gilbert-marquis-de-lafayette-franklin/ 2025 Lafayette Anniversary events - https://lafayette200.org   PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: 2c4hpod.com Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/2-complicated-4-history/id1664183536 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3svQpZfxhVQnYJMESpp842?si=514780ada34d4aab   Full episodes playlist:    https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLX2x56DEw1y7EYWxfufgfSR951RrdsXet&si=TuDcpAjaeQx-vjkH   SOCIAL: - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/2c4hPodcast - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/2c4h_podcast To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus are joined by Dr. Surekha Davies to explore the history of humanity through the study of monsters. Created by humans to explain their world and each other for centuries, monsters not only tell a story of human history, but they offer a glimpse into our future as well.   Please support this podcast by checking out our patreon: www.patreon.com/primarysourcemedia   CHAPTERS: 0:00 - Introductions 10:29 - Boundaries of Humanity and Otherness 22:47 - The Role of Women in Monstrosity 26:15 - The Impact of Imagination on Reproduction 32:08 - Empathy and the Nature of Humanity 36:44 - The Evolution of Terrorism and Identity 40:28 - Storytelling and Empathy in Human Behavior 43:16 - Gender, Identity, and the Human Experience 45:48 - The Line Between Humans and Animals 50:53 - The Significance of the Book Cover Design 56:52 - Mostrophuturism: A New Perspective on Identity EPISODE LINKS: Dr. Surekha Davies – https://www.surekhadavies.org/ Humans: A Monstrous History – https://www.ucpress.edu/books/humans/hardcover Renaissance Ethnography and the Invention of the Human - https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/renaissance-ethnography-and-the-invention-of-the-human/231E1484C8DCCD3568D27C1FA87FBF38 “Preparing for Discovery: A Rational Approach to the Impact of Finding Microbial, Complex or Intelligent Life Beyond Earth” (2:48:44) - https://www.loc.gov/item/2021689520/ Jamaica Slave Code - https://slaverylawpower.org/nhprc-sample-documents/jamaica-slave-code-governing/ The First Blast of the Trumpet against the monstrous regiment of Women by John Knox - https://www.gutenberg.org/files/9660/9660-h/9660-h.htm René Descartes - https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/descartes/ Burning of the U.S. Capitol - https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/on-this-day-the-british-set-fire-to-washington-d-c#:~:text=The%20British%20troops%20set%20fire,out%20at%20the%20White%20House.) Man, The Gorilla, and The Bear, 1860 - https://www.royalacademy.org.uk/art-artists/work-of-art/man-the-gorilla-and-the-bear Split-brain behavioral experiments - https://youtu.be/ZMLzP1VCANo?si=o472DeIZ2yBBA-yz   PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: 2c4hpod.com Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/2-complicated-4-history/id1664183536 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3svQpZfxhVQnYJMESpp842?si=514780ada34d4aab   Full episodes playlist:    https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLX2x56DEw1y7EYWxfufgfSR951RrdsXet&si=TuDcpAjaeQx-vjkH   SOCIAL: - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/2c4hPodcast - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/2c4h_podcast To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus are joined by Innovation Historian Jason Voiovich to explore how many of today’s iconic products, entertainment, and cultural heroes trace their origins to the Great Depression. This era once again demonstrates that hardship often paves the road to innovation.   Please support this podcast by checking out our patreon: www.patreon.com/primarysourcemedia   CHAPTERS: 0:00 - Introductions 1:12 - The Role of a Fractional Chief Officer 3:54 - Understanding Innovations Throughout History 6:07 - The Difference Between History and Memory 6:42 - What is Jason’s Book About, How Jason Tells Stories Differently, and How The Great Depression Was A Time of Innovation 12:14 - When Was The Great Depression and Why Was it “Great”? 18:58 - The Psychological Impacts of the Great Depression 20:32 - The Psychological Impacts of the Great Depression 20:32 - The Refrigerator: A Symbol of Change 27:28 - Lessons from The Great Depression 32:09 - The Impact of Change on Innovation and Embracing Innovation in Difficult times 36:53 - Photography as a Means of Immortality and The Impact of Color in Visual Storytelling 45:10 - Documenting History: The Role of Photography in The Great Depression 48:47 - The Surprising Origins of Monopoly 01:01:23 - Exploring Diverse Topics In Innovation History   EPISODE LINKS: Jason Voiovich - https://jasontvoiovich.com/ Substack - https://innovationhistory.substack.com/p/rededicating-innovation-history?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web Bullfrogs, Bingo, and the Little House on the Prairie: How Innovators of the Great Depression Made the Best of the Worst of Times - TBD Great Depression - https://www.britannica.com/event/Great-Depression Scarface and the Untouchable - https://www.harpercollins.com/products/scarface-and-the-untouchable-max-allan-collinsa-brad-schwartz?variant=32207533146146 Florida Land Boom - https://tampabayhistorycenter.org/exhibit/sharps-marks-in-paradise-selling-florida-in-the-1920s/ Dust Bowl - https://www.loc.gov/classroom-materials/united-states-history-primary-source-timeline/great-depression-and-world-war-ii-1929-1945/dust-bowl/ The Grapes of Wrath - https://www.britannica.com/topic/The-Grapes-of-Wrath Rahm Emanuel - https://bioguide.congress.gov/search/bio/e000287 Snow White - https://americanhistory.si.edu/explore/stories/snow-white-radio Monopoly - https://www.britannica.com/sports/Monopoly-board-game Lizzie Magie - https://blogs.bl.uk/business/2023/03/lizzie-magie-and-the-history-of-monopoly-1.html Charles Darrow - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Charles-B-Darrow Father Coughlin - https://exhibitions.ushmm.org/americans-and-the-holocaust/personal-story/charles-coughlin   PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: 2c4hpod.com Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/2-complicated-4-history/id1664183536 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3svQpZfxhVQnYJMESpp842?si=514780ada34d4aab   Full episodes playlist:    https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLX2x56DEw1y7EYWxfufgfSR951RrdsXet&si=TuDcpAjaeQx-vjkH   SOCIAL: - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/2c4hPodcast - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/2c4h_podcast To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus are joined by Dr. Mills Kelly to explore the origins of the Appalachian Trail, the lives it touched, and a long-forgotten section in Virginia. While the trail invited people into the wilderness, it also fostered connections among them. As one poet aptly put it, "In the mountains, the mind becomes the heart." Please support this podcast by checking out our patreon: www.patreon.com/primarysourcemedia CHAPTERS: 0:00 - Introductions 3:21 - The Appalachian Trail: A Historical Overview 6:39 - Benton MacKaye's Vision for the Trail 10:08 - The Challenges of Trail Development 15:01 - The Route Through Southwestern Virginia 22:19 - The Controversial Trail Leader 25:24 - Land Ownership and Trail Access 28:54 - Cultural Exchange and Hiker Hospitality 32:06 - Economic Impact of the Appalachian Trail 36:27 - Visualizing the Appalachian Trail 41:04 - The Evolution of the Trail 43:27 - Personal Connections and Community 47:38 - The Friends You Make Along the Way 54:40 - Bridging Political Divides through Shared Experiences EPISODE LINKS: Dr. Mills Kelly: https://millskelly.net Virginia’s Lost Appalachian Trail: https://www.arcadiapublishing.com/products/9781467153393/?queryID=574fdb827000a9ce82f22687c79d8374&objectID=9781467153393&insightsIndex=arcadia-publishing_products Virginia’s Lost AT: https://virginiaslostat.org/ The Green Tunnel: https://www.r2studios.org/show/the-green-tunnel/ Franklin County, Virginia: https://franklincountyvahistoricalsociety.org The Long Trail, Vermont: https://www.greenmountainclub.org/the-long-trail/ Benton MacKaye: https://appalachiantrailhistory.org/exhibits/show/builders/bmackaye Shirley Center, MA: https://shirleyhistory.org/about/shirley-center/ Betty MacKaye: https://documents.alexanderstreet.com/d/1008297941 Myron Avery: https://appalachiantrailhistory.org/exhibits/show/builders/mavery Smokey Mountain Diner: https://visitmadisoncounty.com/smoky-mountain-diner/ Fries, Virginia: https://musicofourmountains.com/fries-and-the-washington-mill/ Floyd, Virginia: https://www.floydcova.gov/history Shenandoah National Park: https://www.snptrust.org/about-us/mission-history/shenandoah-history/ Pacific Crest Trail: https://www.pcta.org/about-us/history/ Washington and Jefferson National Forests: https://www.virginia.org/things-to-do/outdoors/national-forests-and-recreation-areas/george-washington-and-jefferson-national-forests/ Iron Mountain Trail: https://www.hikingproject.com/trail/7033608/iron-mountain-trail Lake View Restaurant: https://lakeview.top Franklin County, Virginia: https://www.franklincountyva.gov/575/History-of-Franklin-County New River: https://dwr.virginia.gov/waterbody/new-river/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices