The Athletic’s Grant Brisbee joins me to talk about the Giants’ incredible pitching experiment, the “two timelines” theory of Giants’ roster construction, and exactly how much is on the line in the coming year.

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Intro/Outro: “What’s He Building?” by Tom Waits

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