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Thereafter
By Cortland Coffey & Meghan CrozierReligion & Spirituality
Thereafter episodes
- 051 - Austin Jenkins | Deconstructing Hell Anxiety and Decolonizing Belief Systems
Today's episode we sit down with Austin Jenkins who we met through the thriving deconstruction community on Instagram. Austin is a poet, and podcaster who is processing through his faith deconstruction journey through his art and creativity over on instagram @theexistentialwandererpod as well as on his podcast The Existential Wanderer Podcast. We talk a little about his faith origin story and where he finds himself now, processing through his religious trauma and finding the authenticity to embrace now being agnostic. Austin is such a valuable part of this community and we're so grateful that he took some time to be with us for this episode!
Make sure to go subscribe to his podcast wherever you listen to pods!
https://anchor.fm/austin-jenkins5
Our intro for today's episode is a bit heavy and mostly involves Meghan and Cortland looking for words to describe some of the horrific events that have been unfolding in recent weeks. Please take care of yourself as you listen and know you can always skip directly to the interview which is at 29:00.
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1 hr 32 min - BONUS EPISODE — Deconstructing The Billy Graham Rule | Unlearning Normativity And Learning From Ethical Non-Monogamy
This week we have another BONUS EPISODE! There is no guest for this one and instead Meghan and Cortland spend the episode discussing navigating relationship through deconstruction. Many of us who have left the limiting scripts handed to us by our evangelical or religious upbringing are left to re-frame our understanding of relationships outside of our previously rigid and binary understanding.
We discuss the Billy Graham Rule which is the practice popularized by the late evangelist which said that married men should never be alone with any woman that wasn't their wife. This "rule" becomes a jumping off point for us to talk about breaking away from heteronormativity and compulsive (and toxic) monogamy. No matter your sexual orientation, relationship structure, or gender identity almost all of us have found that the way we were told to form and practice meaningful relationships in evangelicalism was limited and often unhelpful.
Come along as we wander through this conversation, learn from each other, and answer some listener questions!
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1 hr 22 min - 050 - Jarred Harris | Authenticity Through Pagan SpiritualityThis week we sit down with long time friend and fan of the show Jarred Harris! Jared is such a thoughtful person and we're so grateful for him taking the time to share some of his story and journey to finding fulfillment through witchcraft and pagan spirituality. Jarred is a content creator and you can find his content on Twitter (@JarredH), TikTok (jarredharris1), and YouTube.You can find links to his content on all those platforms through his Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/jarredthewyrdworkerQuick TW/CW about our intro this morning. We discuss abortion and some topics that may be heavy for some listeners. if you want to jump straight to the interview, you can jump to 35:10.As always, we love hearing from our listeners. Please consider leaving a rate and review on Apple Podcasts and reach out to say hello on social media!Twitter: Thereafter @ThereafterPod, Cortland @CortlandCoffey, Meghan @ThePursuingLifeInstagram: Thereafter @ThereafterPodcast, Cortland @CortlandCoffey, Megha @ThePursuingLife1 hr 41 min
- 049 - Rohadi Nagassar | When We Belong - Reclaiming Christianity On The MarginsOn today's episode we sit down with Rohadi Nagassar to discuss his story, his work, and his upcoming book "When We Belong - Reclaiming Christianity on the Margins". Rohadi is a pastor building diverse organizations and communities around decolonizing and deconstructing Christianity. He lives in Canada on Treaty 7 Lands otherwise known as Calgary. Through his experience in the local church, a BA in Economics from the University of Calgary, and a Master in Divinity from Canadian Theological Seminary he brings a unique perspective that we are grateful to share with you on this episode!You can follow Rohadi on Twitter at https://twitter.com/rohadi and on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/rohadi.nagassar/. You can find out more about his work through his website https://www.rohadi.com/In our intro #TwitBits segment we talk about monetizing #Deconstruction work. This is a complex topic that we could talk about much more but wanted to start the conversation here. If you want to jump right into the interview you can skip to 31:00.As always, we love hearing from our listeners. Please consider leaving a rate and review on Apple Podcasts and reach out to say hello on social media!Twitter: @ThereafterPod, @CortlandCoffey, Meghan - @ThePursuingLifeInstagram: @ThereafterPodcast, @CortlandCoffey, Meghan - @ThePursuingLife1 hr 34 min
- 048 - Greg Mason | Rethinking Faith With An Expanding Imagination
Today on the pod we sit down with our twitter friend and fellow podcast host Greg Mason! Greg is a music teacher, theology nerd and host of The Decolonized Christian Podcast. You can check out his podcast here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-decolonized-christian-podcast/id1555884063.
Also give Greg a follow on Twitter @LetGregLive_ and on Instagram @LetGregLive_
We have a special guest (our friend Jarred @JarredH) for our intro and #TwitBits segment today, but as always if you want to jump straight to the interview, you can jump to 26:50.
If you want to weigh in on the towel debate thread we mentioned check out that thread here https://twitter.com/thepursuinglife/status/1517557174108520448
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1 hr 28 min - 047 - Matt @TheSnarkyGent | Growing Up Homeschooled in Purity CultureWe’re back for yet another episode! This week Cortland and Meghan interview Matt aka @thesnarkygent on Twitter. Matt is a cybersecurity student who grew up inside of Evangelicalism as a homeschooled kid brought up to “lead with biblical values” who has spent the past half-decade deconstructing a ton of the harmful ideas of his upbringing – including a LOT of purity culture and the pervasive sexual shame in Evangelical culture. Anyone who follows Matt on Twitter knows that he has a gift for identifying and unpacking the toxicity in evangelical messaging that is disguised as something positive. If you enjoy this interview, we know you’ll love keeping up with Matt on Twitter and if you really want to show him some love, feel free to buy Matt a coffee!The intro is a bit shorter today, but as always if you want to jump straight to the interview, you can jump to 8:30. If you want to check out the artist Meghan mentions, head to https://www.joyoladokun.com/As always, we love hearing from our listeners. Please consider leaving a rate and review on Apple Podcasts and reach out to say hello on social media!Twitter: Thereafter, Cortland, MeghanInstagram: Thereafter, Cortland, Meghan1 hr 14 min
- 046 - Ashley Dunston | Growing Up In Toxicity, Healing From Abuse, and Finding One's True Self
This week, Meghan and Cortland sit down with Ashley Dunston. Ashley is a novelist, playwright, aspiring cybersecurity professional, ex-vangelical, and proud auntie. This authentic conversation sheds light on the effects of harmful gender and body stereotypes, and the beauty of shedding toxicity and embracing your true self. Make sure you’re following Ashley on Twitter at @ashdunston and Instagram at @ashley_dunston_writer because you don’t want to miss her hot takes!
You can find links to her Patreon and other projects via her LinkTree at https://linktr.ee/AshleyDunston
We start with our usual #twitbits segment and spend some time ranting about politics, but if you want to skip straight to the interview you can jump to 30:05.
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1 hr 27 min - 045 - Matthew Paul Turner | The God We Give Kids Shouldn’t Have To Be Recovered FromOn today’s episode, Meghan and Cortland chat with New York Times Bestselling Children’s book author Matthew Paul Turner. In this interview Matthew shares his story of growing up in fundamentalism, discovering Sandi Patty, and starting down the slippery slope of Contemporary Christian Music. Matthew spent years working as a writer in the CCM world as well as writing several Christian books. As his faith expanded he began pushing back against the fundamentalism he grew up in advocating for a more inclusive faith. After finding an audience among the progressive faith community Matthew began writing Children’s books. We know our listeners will appreciate hearing stories behind his children’s book that are LGBTQ+ inclusive and create space for wonder and divinity unlike the messages so many of us received in church as kids. In 2020, after years as an ally and advocate for the LGBTQ+ community Matthew publicly came out as gay. Since coming out, Matthew and his incredibly supportive ex-wife Jessica have been a shining example of how families can support each other and embrace authenticity as they discover and embrace their truths together. Please take a minute to check out his website and pre-order his book, I Am God’s Dream, that comes out this month! Also, be sure to follow him on Twitter @HeyMPT and Instagram @MatthewPaulTurner.We start the episode with our usual #twitbits segment, but If you want to skip straight to the interview, jump to 23:10.As always, we love hearing from our listeners. Please consider leaving a rate and review on Apple Podcasts and reach out to say hello on social media.Twitter: Thereafter, Cortland, MeghanInstagram: Thereafter, Cortland, Meghan1 hr 27 min
- 044 - Tori Williams Douglass | My Values Never Changed - I Never Fit Their White Man Mold
Today on the pod we sit down with Tori Williams Douglass. Tori is an anti-racist writer, educator, and podcaster in addition to being one of our favorite follows on Twitter! You may know her as Tori Glass which is her handle on Twitter @ToriGlass and Instagram @ToriGlass.
She hosts the podcasts Go Home Bible, You’re Drunk and White Homework. Tori has created a ton of free anti-racist resources as well as some incredible paid curriculum which you can find over at Tori’s website ToriGlass.com. Please consider supporting the important work she is doing through her Patreon over at Patreon.com/toriglass.
We wanted to add a couple notes from #twitbits. We mention Andre Henry’s new book, “All the White Friends I Couldn’t Keep” which we would love for every single listener to pick up a copy of today! Please feel free to send Meghan a message on Twitter if you’re interested in joining the Deconstruction book club Discord server where we will be reading through Andre's book together this month.
The Hillsong documentary that we mention is called “Hillsong: A Megachurch Exposed” and can be found on Discovery+.
If you want to skip straight to the interview, jump to 32:40.
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1 hr 47 min - 043 - Daniel Deitrich | Songs That Challenge a Church That’s Traded Love for Power
Meghan and Cortland are excited to share this interview with Daniel Deitrich. It’s been in the queue awhile but we know you’ll find it worth the wait!
Daniel Deitrich is a singer/songwriter based in South Bend, Indiana. After the 2020 election, Daniel released his song, Hymn for the 81% which quickly gained traction online as it resonated with many that were questioning why so many white evangelicals voted for Trump. Check out the song on YouTube. You can find all of Daniel’s projects on iTunes, Spotify, or wherever digital music is streamed or sold. You can support the work of Daniel Deitrich by becoming a Patron or through a name-your-price purchase at Bandcamp.com and you can follow him on Twitter.
Our intro has an extended #twitbits segment this week as we discuss recent events in Christianity Today, Hillsong, and Babylon Bee but we won’t apologize for our rage. If you want to skip the rage and jump straight to the interview, head to 46:40.
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1 hr 56 min
About Thereafter
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Welcome to the Thereafter, a place where we explore life on the other side of faith change. We’re here to break down the binaries, deconstruct the dualities, and wander through what it looks like to…
live in the gray. In church, we were told that life after leaving would be a bitter wasteland of unfulfilling hedonism. But we’ve discovered quite the opposite. There is actually a vibrant community of people on the other side of faith who are finding space for hope and healing. Come along, as we explore the all too often uncharted expanse of evangelicalism, evolving faith, and life thereafter.